Equipment return

Osis · Post by **Osis** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:56 pm

Before everybody from LS goes, "Osis, posting on equipment return? How in hell does he think he has a right?" realize that although I may have taken some trinkets, the majority of your sets were returned. Even in Axxey's case, his dagger shield and dodge set were dropped on the floor, along with the lvl 6's.

I have come to the realization that, even though equipment was returned, I am still lacking in favor from the people on LS, and when I eventually die, as we all do, I'm probably going to be getting back 22% abs and a weapon that I'm not even practiced in. I fully expect it, just because the people on LS apparently hate me for taking trinkets.

Take for example this:

yes you have no idea what i plan to do when i get a hold of osis' balls. i'm going to take all his dodge trinkets and wear them myself just because they make me look pretty(which i assume is why he takes them.)

At any rate, this post is to stop the further reproduction of this attitude and behavior. I did not intentionally start this, and if I had thought about it at the time, I would have returned the trinkets as well. If you carry the behavior down lines of people dying, you'll eventually see that the trend of not returning will continue until, like last mud, people begin to chest equipment, put it on storage, equip their alts with it, instead of giving it back.

Heres a nifty little illustration:

Point of infraction:
1. Osis takes trinkets from newbie's backpack
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2. LS kills Osis, takes full set.
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3. Human dies to Osis, full set is taken, or
Human kills trolloc, decides he likes keeping full set, does not return.
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4. Less and less equipment returned as both sides store equipment, chest it as clans are implemented, or keep it out of bitterness and spite.
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5. Nobody returns equipment, pk becomes less fun.

At any rate, this is a decision that has to be made by the mud. I, personally, am going to give the trinkets way, in an attempt to stem this mishap. If you, LS, really feel that the return of my equipment is unnecessary, so be it. I can accept that if it means that the rest of you will continue to return.

And Trin, either don't insult me, or insult me in a grammatically correct way. I assume you've been to school, so attempt to use the lessons they taught you.

I ask that you people stick to the topic presented, and not discuss the specifics, correctness, or generalities behind the courses of events prior to this post.

Axxey · Post by **Axxey** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 11:49 pm

After you do something you can't say "oh it was bad, sorry" and expect it to make everything right, you're already completely screwed with making everything right. A bit like shutting the barn door after the animals have fled or whatever that cliche is.

You started the cycle, live with it, just as I live with not playing my naked dodgers cause a lame level 6 helped Osis screw me over when Osis had zero to do with killing me, or earning the dodge equipment he took and didn't even need at all as a full abser.

In my case i guess i could handle when i came out of checking raken crit and osis killed me in 1 hit and took all my dodge trinkets, he killed me, i guess that's his perogative, he killed me fair and square and can do what he wants with my stuff, annoying but happens. Or I can handle it when dodge is broken getting hit all the time getting myself killed by Osis and another when i forget to change autowimpy(dodge is completely screwed but obviously if i make him weaker taking his good trinkets it will be good for pk). But when you kill a level6 with equipment it's completely fricken obvious he'd have no way of getting himself and obviously isn't looking after the equipment or anything since he's intentionally in the thick of pk getting in the way and then keep every single good bit other than shield(which crash ate also btw)... think about it...

Return a bashers weapon he can get back in there, return jack of a dodgers set and he can't do jack(not that he can do all that much to start with).

Osis · Post by **Osis** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 12:10 am

Way to say nothing Axxey.

What I'm looking for here is all of you people on LS to say, yes, we will continue to return equipment to everyone but you Osis, since its obvious you all hate me for some reason or another. And that will be fine with me.

Axxey · Post by **Axxey** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 12:58 am

so what you're saying is keep doing what you've been doing returning equipment light side.
Oh, and don't mind me, I'm giving away all the multiple sets of trinkets I've taken so when you kill me you'll get no trinkets back anyways.

The whole topic is a nothing topic other than a cycle your actions try and start. Great, you appologize and dont want to start a cycle, your past actions still stand however and you'll reap what you sow.

Trin · Post by **Trin** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 1:04 am

Lemme rephrase what I said.

I will take your trinkets. I might take your weapon. I'll give you my crappy cutlass i'm wielding but i'll give you back all your abs. for those who don't know jewel encrusted cutlass stinks atm. lemme give you of reference:
Galnor barely slashes a small deer.
Of course not complaining. just warning. galnor said he's fixing it. but it's not a priority.
Only reason an abser would take trinkets is to 1) kill the players chance to pk. 2) piss him off 3) make yourself look pretty.

I have nothing against you Osis. I just find it weird that you take all trinkets when you are an abser.

You know what would be a good way to break the cycle though Osis? return Axxey's trinkets.

Osis · Post by **Osis** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 7:56 am

You started the cycle, live with it, just as I live with not playing my naked dodgers cause a lame level 6 helped Osis screw me over when Osis had zero to do with killing me, or earning the dodge equipment he took and didn't even need at all as a full abser.

Your dodger is not naked. I returned your set. If you didnt get it, its not my fault, but until then, you still have a shield, a dagger, and basic dodge.

Oh, and don't mind me, I'm giving away all the multiple sets of trinkets I've taken so when you kill me you'll get no trinkets back anyways.

Any of the trinkets I took in the past, Axxey, were given away that day or night to dodgers on Darkside that needed them. If you have issues with that, whatever. But if you want me to hold on to the trinkets, fine, no problem. And make no mistake, you wouldnt be the one to kill me. Apparently your not playing because you dont have trinkets right now.

The whole topic is a nothing topic other than a cycle your actions try and start. Great, you appologize and dont want to start a cycle, your past actions still stand however and you'll reap what you sow.

I'm really going to have to question your ability, or lack thereof, to read. You understand me when I say, return to everybody else, I dont care if you return to me? Is that not reaping what one has sown?

Vurek · Post by **Vurek** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 11:26 am

Osis, please quit with the superior/degrading attitude. Your intentions may be positive and respectful, but they aren't doing so right now.

When one repeatedly quotes someone's post and repeatedly attempts to tear them apart(ie didn't you learn to read?) (school taught you..etc.) it just doesn't make good relations.

Many things are lost in translation when it is only dependent on text, and I have, along with many others, problems clarifying what I'd like to say the minute I post, as I'm not going back and forth over it to check that everyone on the planet might understand. Whereas in a real life conversation, if they don't understand you fully, they can just ask you right there and then.

Naturally, as you appear *xxx* to me and I appear *xxx* to you, and we repeatedly attempt to kill each other, etc, negative feelings might ensue. Add in the casual mix of the skeptical returning of equipment, and no matter the integrity of the person some negativity might pop up.

This might then cause players to treat each other negatively, and then grudges, etc are born.

You seem to have a problem with many LSers due to trinks return and messed up circumstances.

That sucks. Again the fact that you are *xxx* can multiply dislike towards your character.

I do not think this problem with you and other players will affect other players and their equipment returns. Here at kinslayer it is amazing what happens positively between players, one of the reasons I enjoy my stay here.

All I can say, is that everyone must realize that when they die, anything can happen to their equipment, and it might suck and it might rock. You just gotta hope for the best, and be as positive as can be.

Also, if you die to me, there will be no problem. You are just *xxx* in my eyes, and I treat all *xxx* alike. I take what is needed(not too much to deprive them) and drop what I was wearing and the rest of the set. Now certain players that I absolutely love(yes love.) I will return everything even over LS requests, as I believe those few players are the few reasons this mud is absolutely fun.

Just gotta hope for the best, and hope the negativity stops, as I clearly lost an entire set with zero equipment back, and was even laughed at by that said trolloc, for saying I don't care what they think of me. I'm fine with that, and will treat them with my usual return policy for trollocs, even though they deprived me.

This is an enormous essay post, so sorry, but I believe this to be an important topic, as it directly affects the attitude of players in one of the most powerful ways.

Now, as I press the post button, I can only hope that my post is not torn apart piece by piece. Sorry but I'm on a bud's laptop, and some moron spilled beer all over the keyboard so it's crap.

Play nice.

Vurek · Post by **Vurek** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 11:30 am

Ah, also forgot to mention that my way is by no way the best way to approach things, and I'm not demeaning anyone else.

I respect you all, so let's rock on and have some fun.

Trin · Post by **Trin** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 12:00 pm

Oh, and don't mind me, I'm giving away all the multiple sets of trinkets I've taken so when you kill me you'll get no trinkets back anyways.
Any of the trinkets I took in the past, Axxey, were given away that day or night to dodgers on Darkside that needed them. If you have issues with that, whatever. But if you want me to hold on to the trinkets, fine, no problem. And make no mistake, you wouldnt be the one to kill me. Apparently your not playing because you dont have trinkets right now.

they weren't in pk. while you're actions are good, you take it too far. kind of like vurek takes it to far with returning equipment to his friends. on that i find it it stupid that i can't take a piece of equipment that i'm in pk for and that i'm attacked to fucking keep me from keeping that piece of equipment when i need it and i fought to get it. gristlyn is my friend too but i'm wielding this crappy cutlass and he had poleaxe so ffs i want the fucking bashing weapon. because of vurek and chase and his returning equipment to his friends i haven't gotten a 2h bashing weapon yet. even though i'm been in pk a dozen times where 2h bashing weapons were there but becaues i was a little slow on getting gap or they looted or something along those lines I didn't get it. it's stupid to keep it from people who need the eq.

and chase you might say it was 3 on 1 but you said on irc and over narrates that gristlyn was by caemlyn and gristyn knew there were 3 humans around. he knew the risks when he went of losing his weapon. yea the 8 on 1 might of returned your eq since you died to them in 3 rounds afk but that's a different scenario. i might not of helped with damage much i did track him south of caemlyn which you didn't even think of doing and he could have probably rested and went north slowly by the time you thought about it so i was helpful in killing him. and if it was a switched scenario and you were the one wielding a short dagger and pking(a weapon completely useless to you) and you were pking to get someone else's weapon and we killed him you would have wanted the weapon. 3 on 1 or not. you wouldn't even help me get a fade sword or a barbarian axe(since i couldn't kill them myself the heal for the amount i do damage to them.)

you guys might pk to have fun but i pk to kill people that's how i have fun. and i can't wearing pos stuff. so when i do kill people with pos stuff i do want to keep their good stuff. understand?

and vurek if you keep doing 'ignoring requests from LS players' i'm going to be forced to take you down. with this crappy cutlass and all. because i am also your friend and i want a friggin 2h bashing weapon so if i'm in another pk session with you again(been in 2 so far) where you demand returning their bashing weapon i'm taking you out.

Vurek · Post by **Vurek** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 1:31 pm

You can have my 2h massive cutlass then Trin.

Sorry, but 3vs1 around caemy with Chase, me and you there is similar to 8vs1. There was nfw in hell gristlyn would have made it north, and he knew that.

I never shoulda ran down south to kill him, I even tried calling the gate for him so he didn't get lamed inside of caem.

That was my mistake, I wouldn't count that as a typical circumstance of pk return, that was just plain cruel against gristy poo.(that's why I returned 100%, great person and he was bound to die, that wasn't good pk man)

Now if it was a kill gap/blight, and others did some work, sure I'd help them out.

I'll be on later, give you the damn sword then. I'll take your ticklestick.

Panzer · Post by **Panzer** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 3:33 pm

I've died countless times, and I always got a decent set back xcept for my dark axes *glare*

shake, just a little thank you to all of you that have me on their trophy

I'll remember it when I start owning and all 8)

Trin · Post by **Trin** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 4:50 pm

i work NIGHTS. you wno't see me EVER. i work from 4 - 11 central. and gristlyn knew there were 3 humans on(via irc). he went to caemlyn anyway. and he went inside caemlyn to kill clark as well. his choice not mine. chase was by caemlyn he wasn't afk in blight or something.

Kilik · Post by **Kilik** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 8:28 pm

Just except the worse that can happen to your equipment, cuase one way or another there will be a time you will get crap or nothing back. It happens to everybody, i have had someone on my own race loot me and rent with my equipment after i have died in pk. Just got to except it and start over becuase complaining on forums isnt going to do anything.

Cannibal · Post by **Cannibal** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 7:33 am

I will go ahead and put this out there. When I kill someone, if I find something I need. As in Cannibal, at that moment, I do not see a reason not to take it. Do I care if someoen gets pissed off? No. If I had a full set and a heron would I get it returned when I died? No. Maybe basics, that would be it. I generally leave all gear, but when I hear people bitching about not getting gear back, I make sure I dont bother dropping any of it the next time around. Happened the same way around the last 4 times the mud got reset. And will keep doing so. People only return for so long and then everyone finds a reason to get pissed and loot everything. But thats cool. Lets see how this pans out. If you want, get an imm to come and post this for you.

When you kill someone, there equipment is no longer theirs. They lost it, you earned it.

As players we have bypassed that to be fair and keep pk going etc. But it only lasts for so long. Noone seriously has a right to gripe about losing gear when you died. If you had stayed alive would you have lost your gear? Nope. Basically is there to make people remember that dying has penalties, more then just sitting in CoS for 10 minutes. But also that you might have no gear when ya come back. At least Osis is trying to make right by others for what he did. If any of you stopped to read what he actually posted, he is at least being considerate of others.

Zenrin · Post by **Zenrin** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 9:17 am

Cannibal is my hero. Osis is my hero, second in line. But I'm cooler than both, har! har!

The one thing I hate seeing most is when someone dies instantly switches sides, multilogs, whatever it is, then logs on, "XXX tells you, 'OMG dude, you took all my gear? im glad all you do is go for my weave points!!'"... My god, I will never drop your gear if you do that.

All in all, enforcing, or even expecting equipment returns is so handholding. "commeth sir trolloc, take my hand as we walketh across the bridge where i droppeth your gear."... err... NO!

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 1:34 pm

I've played kinslayer for along time and i cant say ive ever really done well in pk(except when i ripped nicotine at lvl 17 on old kin

). and sometimes i got eq back and sometimes i didnt it it was cool when i did and i didnt mind if i didnt. it's part of learning to pk by dying and learning from your mistakes. and i guess what im trying say is that people just need to chill about losing eq, it's part of pking get used to it.

Kilik · Post by **Kilik** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 10:38 pm

zenrin

The one thing I hate seeing most is when someone dies instantly switches sides, multilogs, whatever it is, then logs on, "XXX tells you, 'OMG dude, you took all my gear? im glad all you do is go for my weave points!!'"... My god, I will never drop your gear if you do that.

called multiplaying

people need to stop doing that, called disrespect