slept target doesn't need stab practiced.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 8:39 am

Took me a while before i came across a solo trolloc to demonstrate this.

Highly abusable, lot of people thinking of it I'm sure from seeing the humor log of shrek's.

Just to display how overpowered and easily abusable this is I made a log.

kill dark

*Borrax* sends you sprawling with a powerful bash!
*Borrax* barely slashes you.

HP:Wounded SP:Excellent MV:Strong - Borrax: Wounded>
kill dark

*Borrax* eats a large slab of meat.

HP:Wounded SP:Excellent MV:Strong - Borrax: Wounded>
bash dark

*Borrax* barely slashes you.

HP:Wounded SP:Excellent MV:Strong - Borrax: Wounded>
TICK IN 5 SECONDS.

*Borrax* slashes you.

HP:Wounded SP:Excellent MV:Strong - Borrax: Wounded>
You do the best you can!

HP:Wounded SP:Excellent MV:Strong - Borrax: Wounded>
You do the best you can!

HP:Wounded SP:Excellent MV:Strong - Borrax: Wounded>
HP:Wounded SP:Excellent MV:Strong - Borrax: Wounded>

* = = + + - -
*
Your bash at *Borrax* sends him sprawling!
You crush *Borrax*.

HP:Wounded SP:Full MV:Fresh - Borrax: Hurt>
f
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channel 'sleep' dark
HP:Wounded SP:Full MV:Fresh - Borrax: Hurt>
Scorched Plains
[ Exits: n e w ]
The corpse of a small deer is lying here.
A small deer is here watching over herself.
You flee head over heels.
Heated Plains
[ Exits: n w ]
A large slab of meat lies here. [16]
*Borrax* is sitting here.
A strong, black warhorse stands here, full of energy.

HP:Wounded SP:Full MV:Excellent >
Alas, you cannot go that way...

HP:Wounded SP:Full MV:Excellent >
You begin to weave the appropriate flows.

HP:Wounded SP:Full MV:Excellent >
+ - -
*
* = = + + - -
*
Okay.
*Borrax* goes to sleep.

HP:Wounded SP:Strong MV:Excellent >
get dagger pack
You get a short dagger from a backpack.

HP:Wounded SP:Strong MV:Excellent >
rem scythe
You stop using a silver etched chain scythe.

HP:Wounded SP:Strong MV:Excellent >
wear dagger
You wield a short dagger.

HP:Wounded SP:Strong MV:Excellent >
hide
skewer dark
You attempt to hide yourself.

HP:Wounded SP:Strong MV:Excellent >
You can't run fast enough to do that.

HP:Wounded SP:Strong MV:Excellent >
hide
You attempt to hide yourself.

HP:Wounded SP:Strong MV:Excellent >
bac dark
HP:Wounded SP:Strong MV:Excellent >

*
* = = + + - -
*
*Borrax* makes a strange sound but is suddenly very silent as you place a short dagger in his back.
*Borrax* grimaces in pain.
You receive some experience points.
The Wheel weaves around you more tightly.
Your blood freezes as you hear *Borrax*'s death cry.
*Borrax* is dead! R.I.P.

No stab practices at all.
We all know how bad sleep stabbers are in that other place, others talking about making sleep stabbers, thought I'd point out how stupid it is and nip it in the bud before we get lots more noryas.

PS. sorry to borrax, needed an example.

Lithium · Post by **Lithium** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 9:55 am

I was once able to get the ability to channel disabled because of bash/sleepstab. It ranks up there with rescuestab as one of the greatest loopholes ever!

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 3:21 pm

hrm make it so you can't sleep bashed opponnent and make is so you can't sleep when engage are the two big things about sleep weave.

and when i said time to make a sleep stabber i meant with stab practiced and stuff!

Post by **Galnor** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 4:32 pm

I added in a fix for this. Sleep should no longer be a garunteed stab.

Raiden · Post by **Raiden** » Mon Feb 21, 2005 11:14 am

how much skill is needed to sneak up against someone sleeping and slit there throat , none... so why should any skills be used? and i thought they made sleeptimer long enough to be able to stand up and leave or engage if your bashed

Post by **Galnor** » Mon Feb 21, 2005 12:20 pm

How many Aes Sedai does it take to slay a horde of trollocs?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Feb 21, 2005 12:24 pm

you're right, Raiden, and also I would admit that the stab weave is difficult to get off in the first place (if you don't bash), but I think this is an area we need to focus more on gameplay than on realism.

Raiden · Post by **Raiden** » Mon Feb 21, 2005 1:26 pm

well id say that to keep a bit of realisim you should be able to land 1/4 stabs on a sleeping target or maybe 1/5 with nothing practised? and players with the skills should be able to land 99/100

Nesyn · Post by **Nesyn** » Mon Feb 21, 2005 4:32 pm

I dunno if anyone else mentioned it, I only really only briefly read each reply but the fact that you can bash someone flee and come back to pull off a sleep shows that either the sleep timer is too short or people stay bashed for too long. Also from other logs ive seen where people stay bashed for like 3 rounds shows that it could be that being bashed lasts too long.