Static Legends List.

[Crunch]

I hate to suggest copying wotmud with decay, but is there something we could implement to keep legends list a little more dynamic? Maybe introducing new wps into the game at every kill regardless of if they already had them or not?

Like you kill someone, and take the standard 20%, plus an addition 1% at no cost to the loser. Or 20% +2 at each kill...

This would greatly inflate WPS, so maybe accompany this with a bi-decade WPS purge?

Thoughts, ideas?

[Chase]

It's already 20% or so, plus 5 or so additional wps. It adds up over time

[Evilina]

Kombat and I discussed wp decay with Galnor a few weeks ago, I like the idea.

Tyson also had a pretty good idea about giving leg weekly 1 a wp boost.

[Chase]

I think decay could be cool. I'd like to see a list of 'heros' or old legends that basically has some old famous chars with something they might of done. I know we have status, but I'd like to see something like

view heros

Nicotine the Greyman - King Slayer
Bollesedun the Human - Shadowy Death

etc.. I don't know. Just so those people that are off lists because of inactivity, but would still be on there, would be on a 'legends' list. Personally I think current legends should be a different name anyway

[Crunch]

Or maybe if you are on legends for X amount of time you get put onto another list permanently...

[Evilina]

I don't know about that one crunch, people have been on the legends list a long time due to inactivity and most of the newer players (started within the last year or two) don't have many wps to circulate, I wouldn't award inactivity but rather accomplishments as Chase suggested.

Would be cool if the imms and players created a list of legendary players and accomplishments.

[Fogel]

We have the statues for legendary players.

[Evilina]

True fogel but Myra was being fed info from a limited source and she stopped making them and went mia then came back and had no desire to make anymore.

The game has progressed, we have newer players who have accomplished close if not just as much as the old pkmud group did, it's not just about old school and old chars anymore but a combo of the new and the old.

[Tyson]

I like bacon.

But I think the best option is to wipe all wps!!!

[Evilina]

Why do that Tyson, what exactly is your reasoning behind that idea?

You do realize the leg list while not showing who is the most fun to pk does show who knows how to earn wps and not lose them. The list after a few months would have the same exact players back up on it and after under a year most would have 1k+ wps.

You might get lucky and be on that list but what if another newer player came along and asked for the list to be wiped again?

[Tyson]

Honestly, my reasoning behind liking bacon is entirely based on deliciousness. Its incredible, amazing, jizztastic, etc. I don't care if the pig was cute, he was fucking tasty.

Well you're asking for a way to kick the current inactive players off the list anyway. *shrug* If you want to do that without wiping wps I suggest there's a means of generating more to be currently in play such as a bonus to the legends weekly winner etc.

[Crunch]

That's really not a terrible idea, Tyson. The WPS totals on legends list is inflated from a period of high activity. Wiping wps would bring the totals down to a more realistic number.

[Tyson]

Also, as you say if these guys start playing again, they'll likely make the list again pretty quick. Nothing wrong with that, at least its encouraging activity? I mean seriously, who is on the list is not the problem, the problem is its not changing due to inactivity.

[Crunch]

No the problem is that between the active players there isn't enough wps in circulation for people to even get on that list.

[Crunch]

Also, log on for some pk, we have good numbers atm.

[Evilina]

Yeah fuck it, wipe wps. My pk style is more ballsy and fun than hoarding wps, I'd just like to see new names on that list.

[Chase]

It's only 1100 or so for 8. It's not THAT high

[Tyson]

You're pretty high..

[Evilina]

Honestly I see the problem as the current active players collective pool of wps is at a guess 1k - 1.5k, I would prefer imms imp a way active players can make decent progression towards legends rather than screw people out of what they have earned.

I am leaning more towards a version of Tyson's original idea.

[Chase]

It's not really earned if you're killing a ton of poor pkers. Just saying. Kill the "best" to be the best. And between Crunch and myself right now we're at atleast 1.2k.

[Tyson]

You're still effectively doing that though... To be honest I'm not sure putting more wps into play is necessarily a good thing.

When you look at WoTMUD for example their solution to problems usually involve adding more of something, it works short term maybe, but long term creates bigger issues. For example if you took a WoTMUD approach to bash in kinslayer, you would probably follow a thought process of hmmm bash is really OP, so lets up dodge. The reality is thats probably not a good idea because then you've got to up a bunch of other things to restore the balance, so you're better off nerfing bash slightly. Small changes are easier to deal with too.

When you look at games that do perform actual balance by nerfing as well as upping things appropriately, the whole game becomes more dynamic and it drives and promotes activity. League of Legends is a great example of this as the game effectively changes every patch to some how correct certain imbalances as well as add new things. LoL also resets their ladder every year, effectively doing the same as wiping the wps here.

So, I'm not really trying to promote just one thing here but saying it applies more broadly than just the legends list. Is it really a bad thing to reset wps? I don't think so. It would inevitably end up with new people on the legends list etc anyway, but no one can really enjoy it in the current burst of activity when they should be able to.

[Chase]

The list after a few months would have the same exact players back up on it and after under a year most would have 1k+ wps.

This is why it won't work to totally wipe wps. Evilina is suggesting making legends list a total sum of wps, which also takes into account the activity level of the player though decay.
Your idea would just require the players on the list, if they care enough, to come back and pk and get back to where they were. For a while, the immediate active players would be on the list because they killed more and were picking off lesser pkers. Eventually, the semi-active people on the list would come back though. Most of the players, except Cifon (sucks), would get on there again after a few months. Raiden, because he hardly plays anymore, would probably be the only loss. Then we would be calling for another wipe.

[Tyson]

So you think its best to leave it and add decay of some kind?

[Evilina]

red team this is blue team, we have a go for decay, go go go!

[Tyson]

Btw. Decay is a horrible weave. Just sayin'.