FADES

[Kyrana]

WTF? can you please stop fucking downing fades??? they are meant to be slightly OP so stop fucking with them!!!

today i was on 2 mobs and was still dodging bashes from nyoga in an incomplete dodge kit... WTF

STOP FUCKING WITH THEM FOGEL!!! LEAVE THEM ALONE AND PUT THEM BACK TO HOW THEY WERE!!

[Nyoga]

Not worth it.

[Kyrana]

my point exactly!!

you should have a dmg bonus AND a slight OB bonus ontop of being able to ride....

you are a fucking myrddraal for fuck sakes..

[Chase]

I personally think remorts are pretty good as they are. Shouldn't be about the character- should be the player. Just a step above a master..

Fades: Fade, Compel, Shadow Stallions, Attack, Weave dodge %, prac bonus

Blademasters: Hamstring, Whirlwind, Postures, Lesser PB split, prac bonus

Greymen: Mark, Shadowstep, Effusion, (Prob stab/db bonus), prac bonus

[Nyoga]

pointless... tired of wasting my breath

[Nyoga]

Oh and you forgot Ogiers and Dreadlords

[Chase]

Yea I don't know what they have at all.

And hell, whirlwind is pretty much worthless for us, but whatever. I'll take what I am given. I hardly use hamstring even anymore.

Attack is 60% of the damage.. If you mean for the second attack that is still 160% more damage output per round. If it is for both attacks it is still 120%. Not bad. Want to trade.

[Norum]

nyoga is a combo, one handed basher. he shouldn't be a bashing god. if you want to bash super well, you should have to go abs. not to mention fades have the best mobility in the game, to the point where that shit should be downed. being able to compel your horse, teleport your horse is retarded.

[Evilina]

And hell, whirlwind is pretty much worthless for us

What makes it worthless?

Blademasters: Hamstring, Whirlwind, Postures, Lesser PB split, prac bonus

lol no wonder you parry so many damn hits, I thought you were just one lucky bastage.

[Chase]

And hell, whirlwind is pretty much worthless for us

What makes it worthless?

Haha well a combination of having to be dismounted, a fail is like a stun for a round, and its like 70% chance of landing.

[Evilina]

My opinion is all remorts need a source pool to use their specific bonuses, and the bonuses need to be tiered in respect to the bonuses strength and sp cost. That way a cool bonus like whirlwind can be made fairly powerful as it once was but can only be used a limited amount of times before the pool is tapped.

[Evilina]

Fades: Fade, Compel, Shadow Stallions, Attack, Weave dodge %, prac bonus, summon, rank 6 bonus

Blademasters: Hamstring, Whirlwind, Postures, Lesser PB split, prac bonus, rank 6 bonus

Greymen: Mark, Shadowstep, Effusion, (Prob stab/db bonus), prac bonus, mv regen bonus, rank 6 bonus

Dreadlords: Impending Doom, Dark Plague, prac bonus

Wolfbrothers: Mv regen bonus, prac bonus (not having to prac ride), sense shadowspawn, rank 6 bonus

[Nyoga]

nyoga is a combo, one handed basher. he shouldn't be a bashing god. if you want to bash super well, you should have to go abs. not to mention fades have the best mobility in the game, to the point where that shit should be downed. being able to compel your horse, teleport your horse is retarded.

Wow, fades actually have something that is better than someone elses? OH NOES TAKE IT AWAY! NAO NAO NAO B4 THE MUD CRASHES OH GOD.

[Norum]

didn't realize fading and having attack with weapons other than daggers wasn't better too.

[Nyoga]

fade attack,or shadow rage as it is called, is nowhere near dagger attack damage. As a matter of fact, i'm about to reprac and do what chase does. Much better than anything we could do with rage.

[Norum]

still does more damage than every other character who has a non-dagger weapon. your mobility is skewed as fuck and it's as simple as that. you can all caps and act goofy all you want but it won't help your case.

[Evilina]

Don't get mad Nyoga!

I have to agree with Norum, fades being able to compel shadows and summon them is op. I'd be cool with removing the ability to compel a mob or compel completely.

Fades fear was op as Norum once pointed out because "it made fades impossible to kill", and I would use the same argument about BM's bonuses giving them such a high bash rating they are almost guaranteed to win a tied bash every single time.

Bash Landing Rates

Chase has a 20% higher chance of winning tied bashes vs me (I am using abs and Rhilor)
Chase has a 15% higher chance of winning tied bashes vs Nyoga (Nyg is using combo and master wpn)

I would be happy with a 50/50 chance of landing a bash.

My above argument could be completely wrong, I am right a lot and wrong even more.

[Norum]

the big difference is fear made it where your bash timer was -shorter- than your opponents. making it impossible to even get to the point where ties can occur! no idea if chase's bash is op since i've not played darkside in a while.

[Nyoga]

fade attack,or shadow rage as it is called, is nowhere near dagger attack damage. As a matter of fact, i'm about to reprac and do what chase does. Much better than anything we could do with rage.

[Norum]

still does more damage than every other character who has a non-dagger weapon. your mobility is skewed as fuck and it's as simple as that. you can all caps and act goofy all you want but it won't help your case.

[Nyoga]

fade attack,or shadow rage as it is called, is nowhere near dagger attack damage. As a matter of fact, i'm about to reprac and do what chase does. Much better than anything we could do with rage.

[Norum]

since you seem to be incapable of comprehending the prior reply, i'll say it again in different words. take the one handed axe hatchet weapon, for instance, you will do more damage with that axe than a non-fade. now take any non-dagger weapon and the same thing is true.

so what you're saying is irrelevant at best.

[Dariec]

YOU R MISTEAKIN

[Norum]

math, how does it work?!

[Dariec]

YOU R MISTEAKIN