Wow fun..

[Ciarra]

love the sarcastic rant :) made me giggle.

[Kathryn]

Have to agree with Asylum, in spite of his sarcasm.

You die to it a few times and you get frustrated and that is understandable. I would like to challenge you to go create a rogue, level him up, eq him up and then spend a month solid pking as a stabber against at least semi competent opponents. Then I'd like you to give your input on them.

Until you do that, you are just ranting and being a bit ridiculous IMO. No attack against you at all, I'm just trying to make a point here. You play the most powerful class in the game, and you are complaining about one of the weakest. You really need to stretch out your horizons a bit.

[Ciarra]

I believe I made a post of downing stab VERY SLIGHTLY while raising kick landing rates and something about pstrike for rogues making them better suited for melee :P therefore making them officially not suck as bad :p

[Barf]

I love how you said double line! There is no double line in this game or ponr! If you would make a troll and try pking fd you would see this in just a few rounds of trying to dline off of mobs in fd.

[Mesana]

Where exactly did I say a single thing about rogues? if rogues needs love, give them that.. better melee? give them that!

Backstab is for all classes including my own.. Im playing the most overpowerd class in the game cous of 1,5 cast dmg weaves and kinslayers calculations of fleelag.. but yet I stab AND switch to staves for 96db 190pb, 43% abs and super fast consistent weave dmg, im speaking of backstab cous thats something ive tested alot since i started playing here. Ive gotten TONS of kills that my newbieness self shouldent have.


What I love about backstab killing people in 2 stabs instead of one is that it balances it out so unbelivably good, if the person is having link trouble, lag, is only attempting to return scalps, eq.. what ever kind of reason it is, if he eats a stab to beat/crit he can yell, run or do whatever.

Now its just blicks left and right, with all the daggers, I mean it isent even the 1 or 2 top daggers that often blicks, its the 5-6, 8 with the 2 rares that blicks..

[Mesana]

in english:

Backstab is a skill that lets (crappy) players get kills they normally in no other way could kill.

OFCOURSE that is gonna have its drawbacks..



(yes I know I just said backstab is for all classes, but thats also kinda wrong, should have some dmg malus on it for all other classes except rogues, either that or rogues need a reason to play rogues and not just a channie that can locate, gate, create fire for finishing moves and stab.)

Either way, backstab beeing overpowered or not has nothing to do with rogues overall over/under poweredness.

[Asylum]

Where exactly did I say a single thing about rogues? if rogues needs love, give them that.. better melee? give them that!

Backstab is for all classes including my own.. Im playing the most overpowerd class in the game cous of 1,5 cast dmg weaves and kinslayers calculations of fleelag.. but yet I stab AND switch to staves for 96db 190pb, 43% abs and super fast consistent weave dmg, im speaking of backstab cous thats something ive tested alot since i started playing here. Ive gotten TONS of kills that my newbieness self shouldent have.


What I love about backstab killing people in 2 stabs instead of one is that it balances it out so unbelivably good, if the person is having link trouble, lag, is only attempting to return scalps, eq.. what ever kind of reason it is, if he eats a stab to beat/crit he can yell, run or do whatever.

Now its just blicks left and right, with all the daggers, I mean it isent even the 1 or 2 top daggers that often blicks, its the 5-6, 8 with the 2 rares that blicks..

this basically illustrates my one big gripe on this mud. Back stab it a thief skill, and yet channies can afford it and another skill. if another class wants to use a specific skill not in there primary class it should cost them and cost them dearly. because you are basically letting one type of character have there cake and eat it too. I think the way that this could be fixed it to make landed stabs and damage directly proportionate to the practiced skill (it may be that way now but the difference is very minute). for instance if you have the skill practiced to 99 you would have more success at landing and higher damage than someone who has 85 practiced. This should not be a matter of 1 or 2 percent but a significant amount. Back stab should be determined on over all success of sneak, hide, back stab and short blades. if you have only 85% of all then your likely hood of landing the "blick" should be seriously downed. However if you sacrifice other items to get the 99% then you should have the ability to land the "blick". I think skills and the amount of % of practice needs to be looked at.

So while you are not attacking a thief specifically you are attacking their primary and pretty much only usable skill. Kick lands too low to be effective, pstrike gives a malus in the way of a delay after successful landing. No take you for instance, if you fail to land a surprise stab then oh well. you still have other weapons. Not to mention can do serious damage with weaves. Whereas a thief if they don't land the surprise stab or if they have to land two or more stabs to get the kill then what are the options? run from patty to patty essentially just run for there lifes. If the other person is dodger or comboer then they can buff solo most all non-city patties. and if the person is a channie they don't even have to be directly engaged to get the kill.

Basically you are asking that the thief class be ineffective just because you don't like to die to a flee stab. Then you even go so far as to say thief are crappy players. Whether you made reference to yourself or not that is was you imply. You really need to play one more and really see what I am talking about.

[Kathryn]

I wanna click the "Like" button on asylum's post, but there isn't one.

GALNOR I DEMAND IMPLEMENTATION!

[Chase]

I wanna click the "Like" button on asylum's post, but there isn't one.

GALNOR I DEMAND IMPLEMENTATION!

I second

[Chase]

Fleestab is pretty much a part of the game, it has been here for ages. I used to die 10 times a day to Lithium and Norya feestabbing me at north gate FD. Is it annoying? Very. Just go to a patty and sit there spamming, they will eventually get tired of it and either pk normally or leave.

[Ciarra]

Maybe lower backstab damage by a moderate amount, however give rogues a bonus to backstab so it is basically untouched for rogues, give hunters a slightly less bonus warriors even less and channies none. Therefore rogues would have best stab followed by hunters, then warriors and finally channelers have the worst stab? Unsure if this is even possible or if it would even be a solution. It is just something i thought of :P

[Barf]

Great ideas ciarra/asylum.

[Mesana]

My english sucks, I have a hard time explaining stuff exactly like i mean it i guess. Its not my main language so that might be the reason.

Anyway, I never said thiefs are crappy players, what kind of stupid statement would that be.
Im saying backstab takes absolutely no skill and any person can do it.. it doesent take any skill, its a cool skill.. brings alot of variation to the game.. But it has a chance to 1 shot any other char, no matter their gear.. if you want to have this chance, it should also come with maluses, why the hell would anyone play combo long blades for example, if backstab specced chars are almost as powerful in melee..


There are no other skill in the game that can 1shot stuff, plain and simple. This should come with maluses. Im not saying you should be worthless in any way, im saying.. this is your primary weapon.


A backstab specced char SHOULD loose in pure melee vs any other class..


It sounds like you dont think beeing able to 1 shot people doesent count for shit Asylum..


IMO no thing in the game should instantly kill you healthy>dead

[Mephs]

[quote="Ciarra"]Maybe lower backstab damage by a moderate amount, however give rogues a bonus to backstab so it is basically untouched for rogues, give hunters a slightly less bonus warriors even less and channies none. Therefore rogues would have best stab followed by hunters, then warriors and finally channelers have the worst stab? Unsure if this is even possible or if it would even be a solution. It is just something i thought of :P[/quote]

BEST IDEA EVER!

If rogues couldn't blick it would be a boring class? Channies dont need to be able to finish someone with backstab, they can chase them down with their flaming gayness shit.

BTW the only class i have is a warrior so i guess i cant speak for these classes but i like Ciarra's idea.