fear increasing the length of bash timer

[Lamgwin]

is absurdly retarded. i don't know how anyone can justify it being balanced at all.

[Barf]

lol, bonuses aren't really supposed to be balanced. If they were hamstring would be nerfed :p

[Lamgwin]

lol hamstrung people can quaff vials. lol what can i quaff to lower my bash timer. lol

[Evilina]

You can quaff to counter -5db or quaff to counter bms extra ob from stances? didn't think so fag.
can anyone quaff to counter your master weapon? Didn't think so.

[Lamgwin]

does -5db keep you from doing damage to your opponent? does my master weapon ( and i've called for the removal of master weapons) give me an ability that essentially keeps me from being able to die? analogy fail.

[Evilina]

31 ÔÇÿWhen the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on the throne of his glory.
32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats,
33 and he will put the sheep at his right hand and the goats at the left.
34 Then the king will say to those at his right hand, ÔÇ£Come, you that are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world;
35 for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me,
36 I was naked and you gave me clothing, I was sick and you took care of me, I was in prison and you visited me.ÔÇØ
37 Then the righteous will answer him, ÔÇ£Lord, when was it that we saw you hungry and gave you food, or thirsty and gave you something to drink?
38 And when was it that we saw you a stranger and welcomed you, or naked and gave you clothing?
39 And when was it that we saw you sick or in prison and visited you?ÔÇØ
40 And the king will answer them, ÔÇ£Truly I tell you, just as you did it to one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.ÔÇØ
41 Then he will say to those at his left hand, ÔÇ£You that are accursed, depart from me into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels;
42 for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink,
43 I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not give me clothing, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.ÔÇØ
44 Then they also will answer, ÔÇ£Lord, when was it that we saw you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not take care of you?ÔÇØ
45 Then he will answer them, ÔÇ£Truly I tell you, just as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.ÔÇØ

[Lamgwin]

oh, so you agree with me. don't give unbalanced bonuses to the people that already have uniques, rares, the most experience, etc.

[Nyoga]

Lamgwin weren't you the one screaming for flee timer increases? Flees are such that right now in a 2 exit room I still take a long time to flee. After fleeing 3 or 4 times it's over for me.

You can't scream for something, then get upset about it later.

[Lamgwin]

let's go over this again. evilina's ability to make other people essentially incapable of bashing him is not the same thing as having failed flees occasionally accumulate so that you get bashed.

[Evilina]

essentially incapable of bashing him

Exaggeration, fear goes off on low % and as Fogel loves to say "you just had bad luck."

having failed flees occasionally accumulate

Understatement, failed flees in pk always add to fleelag timer not occasionally.

If your so set against master weapons and bonuses why do you use your master weapon? You cant preach socialism while living a capitalist lifestyle.

[Otar]

let's go over this again. evilina's ability to make other people essentially incapable of bashing him is not the same thing as having failed flees occasionally accumulate so that you get bashed.

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fag

fear goes off on low % and half the time it does for me it only makes it so that our bashes go off in the same pulse,
fag

(my bashes are badly timed because of lag on my end, not because of shitty timing skills. I've got a trigger that makes my bashes go through ASAP),
fag

So in effect, half the time it goes off it BALANCES the pk. And the other half is a rather small bonus. Especially when you compare it to the -5db and +ob that BM's have,
fag

[Lamgwin]

having failed flees occasionally accumulate

Understatement, failed flees in pk always add to fleelag timer not occasionally.

look at my sentence. it says failed flees occasionally accumulate. not flee lag.

and attacking me, or pointing out other things in the game that aren't balanced doesn't make this bonus balanced. all it does is show that multiple things in the game can and should be looked at. keep trying to ignore the claim that the bash timer increase is imbalanced, instead of changing the subject all the time.

[Lamgwin]

fear goes off on low % and half the time it does for me it only makes it so that our bashes go off in the same pulse,
fag

(my bashes are badly timed because of lag on my end, not because of shitty timing skills. I've got a trigger that makes my bashes go through ASAP),
fag

So in effect, half the time it goes off it BALANCES the pk. And the other half is a rather small bonus. Especially when you compare it to the -5db and +ob that BM's have,
fag

otar, i'm sorry but the mud isn't balanced around your connection and lag. it's balanced on mostly averages i would assume. also, i would like to hear what this actual low % is, for it went off quite often the other night, to the point where between the length of my bash timer, plus evilina being a dodger, plus him not missing on me because i'm an abser, resulted in not even getting a single bash off in a pk session, and i have a pretty good link.

[Kathryn]

I have a mediocre link at the best of times, and a terribly unstable one at the worst. Does that help?

[Lamgwin]

i'm not good enough to kill people, make my bash timer 2 pulses pls. kthxbai.

[Otar]

I understand that the mud isn't balanced according to my link. However, bonuses have to be judged according to how they affect the game, not how they would in a perfect system. In relation to the argument over fear, substantial weight should be given to how it affects my gameplay over Evilina's and especially Kombat's, since I bash the most. When I am leveled and pking, (which will be soon) my fear going off in a situation where it will affect gameplay is likely to be 75% of the total fears that affect the game. WIth Evilina at about 24% and Kumbat about 1%. When you take that into consideration and look at it on a game-wide scale you will see that it is actually a small bonus, and is almost as likely to balance the game as tip it in the favor of the Fade.

Bringing up fading and saying that that tips bonuses way too far in favor of Fades in relation to BM's and non BM's will only make you look like a fool. It is almost useless for getting out of pk now. It's only usefull purpose for pk is getting peeps to the pk faster. Even that isn't as much of an affect as you might first think when you take into consideration the DL's in Keep and Hold. There's DG's too.

[Lamgwin]

would you mind explaining to me how you bash more than evilina when you both bash? and would you explain to me why it's a good idea to have hard coded bonuses for a handful of players for the purpose of "off-setting link issues"? should hard coded bonuses be used to offset player error, or their link error? if so, why do fades get this specific hard coded type of bonus while no other clan gets anything similar to it? you have to look at the implications of your argument.

[Lamgwin]

and fogel, please post the actual % chance it has on going off. and if it varies depending on abser, level, whatever, please post those too.

[Fogel]

It has a (prac % - 79) / 100 chance of going off. Meaning 99 fear will have a 20% chance of increasing the length of any given bash timer.

Also, this is probably going to be revamped when I get to working on fades again. Unreliable skills aren't fun for anyone.

[Evilina]

Lamgwin I have already as of a month ago posted my ideas of balancing remorts, fades should lose compel, rage at best do +1 dmg per second attack, the removal of weave avoidance, ob bonus removed, and fear be more balanced and bms should be revamped as well to remove their stackable bonuses of +7 ob via stances combined with -5 db via hamstring. I would of posted constructively on here about my ideas but this is just your witch hunt of the week.

[Lamgwin]

another analogy fail. this is a balance issue, therefore it can't be a witch hunt, because there's an actual witch.

[Evilina]

therefore it can't be a witch hunt, because there's an actual witch.

So the hunt is dependent on whether there is an actual witch? Are deer hunters not hunting unless they actually come across a deer?

[Lamgwin]

when someone says someone is going on a witch hunt, the phrase is supposed to mean they're chasing after ghosts and hurting innocent people in the process. good god, don't use fucking cliche phrases if you don't eve know what the fuck they mean.

[Evilina]

when someone says someone is going on a witch hunt, the phrase is supposed to mean they're chasing after ghosts and hurting innocent people in the process. good god, don't use fucking cliche phrases if you don't eve know what the fuck they mean.

dude you need to get laid or something, have you considered paying for it?

[Lamgwin]

dude, you changed the subject again. have you ever thought about not being a moron and actually being capable of defending a position without resorting to retarded tactics?