Dodge

[Hugh]

Post death whine I guess, but here goes:
108 dodge, 125 parry = bashed solo 80%, bashed 90% while engaged with two, 100% engaged with 3.

Horrible odds, especially when max damage is only a "pierce" vs. an abser, while you lose 60+ per bash.

Is there some sort of minimum dodge you need to pk against an abser? I THOUGHT 100+ was pretty good.

[Guest]

dodge is weird, top end dodge can get bashed quite a bit by a top end bashing weapon. but anything under that and the dodge person wont get bashed much at all. bollesedun was dodging my bashes like crazy, but i was landing quite a few on you.

[Aj]

the dodge set up is horrible atm imho, weapons that do insane dmg bash the best, and wpns that do crap dmg dont even bash. I think the balance lies in the low abs % dodgers get and of course dodgers getting bashed a little to much by certain wpns. Lance has yet to miss a bash on me with his uber chain and I'm pulling 109 db. I worried if imms change it again it will just go from one extreme to another so I would encourage specific weapons tweaking.

[Hugh]

I'll be the first to admit, I absolutely suck at playing anything other than an abser or channeler in PK. That doesn't change the fact that something needs to be looked at when it comes to dodge. I've yet to win a 1v1 while I've tried a dodge setup, since one a long time ago when I fought Viral in the Gap. He didn't die, but had to run away crit while I was battered.

Anywho, I'd like it if Lithium shared his total defense with the set he had yesterday. I thought my set was damn near his in terms of total defense, yet even with 3 mobs and 1 PC on him, he was not hit. 3 mobs on me, and I'd rip.

[Lithium]

With the extra weight I was carrying around it was 114 db 131 pb (118/134 without it). That's 99% dodge, 92% shield parry. My defense was pretty inconsistent though, sometimes I'd avoid all the hits and sometimes I'd get torn apart. But that's in a perfect set without super rare trinkets.

[Aj]

Your the opposite of me Hugh, I can't play abs effectively at all, thats why I hate LS so much because it caters to abs setups and not dodge.



I have most of your set Lith, and on Ls I picked up somones dodge set, think it belongs to a thief not sure. So if you lost a set in pk yesterday mail me.

[Hugh]

It's more than likely my set you picked up, but alas...

118 dodge vs 108 is a very big difference. I suppose that's the difference between unkillable and useless. I'd still like to see a set over 100 at least playable.

[Lithium]

Honestly, I had no problems playing above 105. Anything lower, especially less than 100 gets destroyed

[Vasilis]

the dodge set up is horrible atm imho, weapons that do insane dmg bash the best, and wpns that do crap dmg dont even bash. I think the balance lies in the low abs % dodgers get and of course dodgers getting bashed a little to much by certain wpns. Lance has yet to miss a bash on me with his uber chain and I'm pulling 109 db. I worried if imms change it again it will just go from one extreme to another so I would encourage specific weapons tweaking.

Dodge does need tweaking. When the best axe and a 19 str hunter can only bash you 1/8 zerk, there is a problem. Especially when you are able to bash me 100% of the time. Unfair?

[Guest]

weapons could be tweaked a bit, top end bash weapons not being top end damage weapons in the same bundle.

weapons shouldn't be good in all areas, should have strengths and weaknesses.

[Aj]

the dodge set up is horrible atm imho, weapons that do insane dmg bash the best, and wpns that do crap dmg dont even bash. I think the balance lies in the low abs % dodgers get and of course dodgers getting bashed a little to much by certain wpns. Lance has yet to miss a bash on me with his uber chain and I'm pulling 109 db. I worried if imms change it again it will just go from one extreme to another so I would encourage specific weapons tweaking.

Dodge does need tweaking. When the best axe and a 19 str hunter can only bash you 1/8 zerk, there is a problem. Especially when you are able to bash me 100% of the time. Unfair?

You want to bash, make a warrior with 20 str with great bmi, the problem isnt your eq it's your set up. Chase and trin bash me tons, and I'm thioking that chain was downed in either weight or ob because when lance had one he wouldnt miss a bash on me ever and my eq and set up is still the same.

[Guest]

Its called chance guys.. sure weapons need to be tweaked but osmeo f you are whinning just cause you had bad luck.

If BMI is in bash equation could we please take it out? ive never been a fan of it and its just stupid.

[Aj]

Dodge does need tweaking. When the best axe and a 19 str hunter can only bash you 1/8 zerk, there is a problem. Especially when you are able to bash me 100% of the time. Unfair?

Have you noticed the dmg on my spear has been downed? I cant frag someone bashed and naked. Each set up has their strengths and weakness with the exception of a high str warrior with great bmi in full abs and wielding a shim axe. That is by far the best setup in the game atm.

[Guest]

combo user could take him on

[Chase]

I dont think abs bash is the best setup in the game at all. Your hps are toast if you get hit by a group or are running. Dodge is pretty damn hard to kill when running unless you get them in a big choke with multiple people, or they hagg.

Besides, dodge is wierd. Ive been bashed before on my dodger with 110+ db with a claymore near 75%. Other times Ive dodged 8/10. Just a random chance..

[Aj]

I dont think abs bash is the best setup in the game at all. Your hps are toast if you get hit by a group or are running. Dodge is pretty damn hard to kill when running unless you get them in a big choke with multiple people, or they hagg.

fm to keep is one big choke chase!

[Chase]

It goes both ways. Keep to FM is the same.

[Guest]

not true Chase, for instance when going direction keep you gotta pass a 5 exit room and only 1 of those exits is the right wya.. thats one hell of a choke.. while otherway its just 2 exit room 1 which goes in right direction.