Another full looting thread

[Otar]

Solution to full looting: A limit on how many items can be looted from a corpse.

I know that the official imm status is that looting anything from any corpse is A-OK, but I say that that's as much assholerry as getting full-looted by someone for no firetrucking reason. It's like giving some random 17 yr old booze. Srsly, this full looting is bullshit, and the imm stance keeps the assholerry going just as much as the players that do the full looting. This full-looting shit is ruining the mud, and the imms are just as guilty as the players that full-loot.

I say that the imms change their stance on this issue. At least make it a rule to only loot X items from a corpse because hard-coding that shit would be a pain in the ass from all sides.

[Crunch]

I'm with Otar on this one.

[Chase]

No way.. Why don't we also just make it so you can't even die, you just get "stunned" and keep your eq. Funny how DS is getting pissed at 2-3 doing this when a lot of LS constantly come back to 3-4 items left from a full set.

But yea, this sucks for Otar. Died and someone not in the pk looted him. Whoever it was..

[Otar]

Funny how DS is getting pissed at 2-3 doing this when a lot of LS constantly come back to 3-4 items left from a full set.

For the record, I have said nothing but don't full loot to the dser's i've pked with.

[Crunch]

It doesnt matter whos doing or why, or how many of us. It needs to stop. Some of the playerbase has come together and tried to stop it but it's just not working. Divine intervention might be needed to preserve this muds atmosphere.

[Uhl]

This is so stupid. I am so tired of DS blaming this on me and Heritage.

I gave Jinn a full set of top-end trinks from my clan shelf after someone full looted him. I gave Otar his eq and master back when no one else wanted to. I am always giving people eq back and I am always getting looted and I never complain. Yet, this always get blamed on me.

I am not looting anyone else. Therefore, if looting continues it is not my fault. Uhl is not looting. Yeah, I've had to loot like two sets after the 15 I've had looted. Not to mention the 15 masters and about 30 scalps I've had looted and not returned, which is complete bs. I always drop scalps even if I do full loot.

I even told Jinn this: I told him I gave his gear back and I wouldn't loot anymore, and he seemingly still wants to loot me. I guess the only rule that would make DS happy is always loot Uhl and Heritage, but no one else can loot.

[Heritage]

sadly i returned about 4 sets this week only to have mine raped twice, so guess ima go back at it 100%. i told you if yall stopped that i would too, but no you bastages wont.

[Obould]

Yeah the atmosphere has gone to fucking hell and there's no denying that. chase you and I spoke last week about trying to put a stop to full looting on our respective sides but narrating don't loot them only goes so far.

[Chase]

I usually stop people from looting if I am online and in the pk, but I can't stop it/don't know when Im afk/doing other stuff/not on. It has to be a mud consensus.

[Heritage]

you guys make me laugh out loud. i lose a set a day and dont say one word. ds loses a set and goes ape ballsack on forums, on shouts, yall even call your moms and complain, lmao wtc

[Crunch]

All it takes heritage, is one post.


Simple "I give up" no more looting. I imagine a couple people might loot you after that for a week tops, but once word gets around - it'll be back to normal.

We've known you for too long to hate you over this. Let's just make it stop now.

[Philosoraptor]

I don't know how these keeps being left out, but Heritage didn't full loot until after darkside went on a being a butthead rampage. Ganking, killing naked people, killing non-pkers, killing people trying to get their gear, etc. Then when they finally killed them back, they full looted them in retaliation to their tactics.

[Heritage]

This all started because some fags were farming wps. killing people lamely to get them and ganking out the butt. i already told you i would stop looting when you hoes decide to do the same. and the only person thus far to return a set is nicotine. so when i see more of you return my gear and stop taking my master, i will gladly return yours back. until then, enjoy full looting.

[Crunch]

when you hoes decide to do the same

It doesnt start like that.

[Philosoraptor]

sadly I returned about 4 sets this week only to have mine raped twice, so guess ima go back at it 100%. I told you if yall stopped that I would too, but no you bastages wont.

cough.

[Obould]

Man some of you guys are just stubborn.

I killed 4 people tonight and didn't loot a single thing even though I lost plenty. We all have to start trying to be decent towards one another at some point or this mud is just going to die, I have watched multiple new players go back to wot because of the dramatic atmosphere specifically the full looting.

It's pretty easy to get mad when you die and blame the circumstances on a specific player and retaliate by targeting a side but it only makes you feel better temporarily and hurts the mud in the long run.

[Rawr]

I have posted this multiple times: Ask me if you need eq, I almost always keep an extra set of combo and abs, and atm I have a decent dodge kit. If you want eq it is much better to ask and leave someone else's than to loot and make this place go to crap.

[Lamarsh]

Imagine that you are trying to win a street race. If you win, you earn recognition and awards. If you lose, your opponent can take possession of your vehicle and leave you on the curb. In order to race again, you have to return to your garage and make another car from scratch, piece by piece.

Losing full sets on games like Kinslayer or Wotmud is a lot like that.

Although looting is clearly not a violation of the game rules (as clarified by Galnor), the MUD grinds to a halt when nobody has equipment to pk with doesn't it? That is where the discussion begins. Do we agree to not loot fully? If so, what are the benefits? What are the cons?

Arguments in favor of no/partial looting

1) Most Ballsy PK
With less to lose, pk becomes richer, more dynamic and faster paced. Otar, Crunch, Evilina and other bashing chars can die multiple times and come back for more. This leads to better pk, more qp farming and more wps gained or lost. It seems like a win-win.

2) Longer PK
With their sets (or some part thereof) awaiting them where they died, pk can be sustained for longer periods of time.

3) Decreased Hoarding
Players don't need to hoard sets to return to playability.

Arguments in favor of full looting

1. Creation of a Smob Culture
If full looting continues indefinitely, a shortage of re-equipment will eventually occur. The side(s) could group together and mass smob the community chest/storage alts back up. Some casual players may even quit for a while. Others will do nothing but smob because they are not risk takers.

2. Sheep Mentality
Players feel less empowered when they lose a complete set because their character can no longer compete in the game. They might become frustrated; after all, it is a little like trying to win a street race with your basketball sneakers and so frustration from new players and old alike is natural and to be expected. The loss of empowerment eventually creates a sub culture of people who build sets and smob all the time. If you want to kill the same naked people over and over again and cackle madly as you swipe their 100th set, this would be a strong con for you.

Personally, I try not to take something of extreme value from a corpse. In fact, during my month+ here Ive taken at max 2-3 items from any corpse*, and those I took because I wanted a trophy for killing that person the first time. That's why I leave people's master weapons and cloaks - its no fun to lose 8 qps for the sword and 3 for the cloak.

Chase, Tiberius, Kyrtide, Ark, Bob, Bobby, Raiden, Edward, Lamgwin...you're doing fine. No qualms.

Heritage, Uhl...you're not. Using full looting as a threat and doing a side wide 'policy' is only going to detract from the MUD atmosphere. You're alienating yourself and destroying your possibility for Kinslayer Pk instead of Wot PK. I might decide to not pk with you at all if you keep it up.

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*I have only full looted once and it was to complete a verbal promise made to the same group of 2-3 on LS who publicly full looted every cross race kill. These players took multiple sets and strategy dictates that I return this behavior.

[Nicotine]

Personally, I try not to take something of extreme value from a corpse. In fact, during my month+ here Ive taken at max 2-3 items from any corpse*, and those I took because I wanted a trophy for killing that person the first time. That's why I leave people's master weapons and cloaks - its no fun to lose 8 qps for the sword and 3 for the cloak.

I think if we were to all agree on a policy, it would end up being the exact reverse of this Lamarsh.

The vast majority of the time, I only loot vials, rations, uniques, and rares. Since I don't get much for qp rewards these days, I tend not to loot master weapons and clan cloaks. However, I think it's much better to lose something you can re-issue at a clan mob than to lose something you have to go try to smob or pk for to get back.

Here's the way it used to work out back in the day (and I completely agree with this). This is in order of importance on the "should I loot this item?" scale :

1. Loot rares, uniques, and special items such as vials almost always.

2. Loot items that give you quest points if you or someone involved in the pk needs quest points.

3. Loot basic armor items and consumables like backpacks, lanterns, food, and flasks only if you are naked completely and need a set, or you or someone involved in the pk can use it and has a replacement piece to drop.

I've ALWAYS played this way with regards to looting. Anyone who wants to try to blame me for taking eq when I don't need it can feel free to take a look at my clan chest (which has some herbs and imm dolls in it and nothing else) or ask me how many storage characters I keep (none).

[Heritage]

all good then i hope? if me and uhl are your worries then no more looting. we both agree to stop. i speak for uhl because hes my mob and i will slap him if he doesnt listen. i hope this works out well. i will only loot if its a rare such as heron, rhilor, figure, etc. i have no hard feelings towards any of you, though three of you samesided me one night, which was totally crossing the line, but all is forgiven. see you on the battlefield and best of luck in a good clean nonlooting fight.

[Otar]

Sounds solid Heri, and is the 'see you on the battlefield' a reference to teh Zoids tv show?

[Uhl]

I am all good. I haven't been looting.

Anyway, all this still irks me a little. I do not like to take the blame for something I didn't really start. Full looting is less of a problem to me than the same trollocs farming wps by repeatedly killing me 4+ on 1 (which includes instances of like 9 on 1, 8 on 1, 10 on 1, 7 on 2, etc) and then killing me again when I am naked.

Can we agree that this is lame? Can we agree that anything over 3 on 1 is probably lame and shouldn't occur (of course, if it's group pk and one person gets split from the group, blah, blah, this is fine)?

The only reason we looted was to discourage these tatics -- not to start some stupid whine contest, where every DS goes nuts and full loots every LS, kills people afk and LD, and only complains about looting when it happens to them.

The blame for pk and the mud being crappy is being shifted to Heritage and myself when I don't believe that's the actual case.

[Lamgwin]

You know, I don't mean this as a petty insult, but I'm curious why people like Obould talk about fairness, and being kind, and then go and kill my alts afk and full loot them. It's just so confusing.

[Lamgwin]

And I don't know how often this has to be said because you people ignore it, but, Uhl and Heritage full looted in response to crappy pk tactics that took the fun out of pk.

[Uhl]

Even though I was naked, wielding only my master weapon, I returned Jinn's weapon, shield, and full dodge pieces. Even, right?