Dodge

[Nicotine]

Hello everyone,

at the moment it is my personal opinion that dodge is a bit underpowered. I know things are being tweaked like crazy so this post is as of Wednesday night at 12:30 AM, technically Thursday i suppose.... but anyway.

just now i get hit by nearly any weapon unbashed. i have 200 defense, and i personally think getting hit 90% of the time unbashed is a little degrading

just posting what i experience.

[Vurek]

You are pretty much right.

I have 145 ob mounted, and sometimes broke your defense unbashed.

But also some other times you were buffing 2-3 ppl, ie the first time you were buffing a bashed dross(cut parry in half) and chase destroyed you with me following up.

But yes, dodge is absolutely terrible. And I died and lost my set to figure that out.

How'd you like the fleelag? It feckin rocks. Fleers are gonna regret fleeing now

[Chase]

I think its good they are changing it. Before today, dodge owned abs easily. Sartak for instance could buff myself and 2 mobs. I missed all 40 (for real) bashes I tried.

It is pretty over the top, however. I know I broke your defense too easily, even with multiple on you.

[Zenrin]

1 on 1 from what i saw looked fine though vurek was standing there letting me bash him till he was pretty much dead that i didnt really have much unbashed hits. once sarg came we hit him fairly easily unbashed(though again, wasnt much of that).

fleelag is disgusting but obviously being worked on given post in announcements. humans all they had to do was stand there and spam and i was practically dead.

[Chase]

I really liked fleelag. Its about time people have to stop spam fleeing like 60% of the mud does. It was rediculous when you could make a person flee 12 times in 20 rooms and they STILL had no fleelag.

[Vurek]

Fleelag is absolutely fine.

That is exactly how zenrin/sarg killed me gap, I had so much fleelag from 7ish flees that I couldn't do shit.

And that's how it should be imo. It works both ways, this way we can't have ppl fleeing their asses off.

Really kinda fun, hurts like hell though.

And, makes chokes actually useful now, IE zenrin that's why you lost hps, we were sitting in a good LS choke room. Yet you even ran the good flee and came back in to get bashed. Shrug.

Fleelag roxors.

[Nicotine]

this kind of fleelag is going to make the burning people run the other way to avoid fleeing again, thus completely hagging everyone out.

[Vurek]

Yay.

[Zenrin]

I really liked fleelag. Its about time people have to stop spam fleeing like 60% of the mud does. It was rediculous when you could make a person flee 12 times in 20 rooms and they STILL had no fleelag.

totally agree yet it is a tad too much right now.

IE zenrin that's why you lost hps, we were sitting in a good LS choke room. Yet you even ran the good flee and came back in to get bashed. Shrug.

I am aware of how I got bashed, lost my HPs, and the cause behind it. maybe someone that wasnt in pk would be the right audience? sorry if the cause is meant to be good but this looks like a lecture on something so obvious that it looks like you think i'm a newb! *gasp!*

also dont understand why you threw in the part about me fleeing back in after getting the "good flee". i decided to go south after 2 failed flees and of course with my luck got a north flee. but that has nothing to do with fleelag so not sure what you're saying.

It's the FLEELAG that made it so that i very nearly got killed. 1 more flee and it would have been too much to avoid a bash, and this was after not too many flees of course. Now dont get my wrong im all for fleelag but it was just too much too fast right there. chase you will say the same thing when a group comes pummeling on you. i thought it looked fine once i slaughtered vurek, but once the tables turned i realized just how drastic it was.

Oh and vurek, you wouldnt have been garunteed to live had there been less fleelag as i was blocking a choke point. har! har! *pat*

[Vurek]

It's called run N into gap and hide out

No you wouldn't have killed me, flee lag did, and i'm fine with it.

I'm glad you realize how "drastic" it is for both sides, as I practically gave a free kill. I was so lagged no commands would go through, not to mention the "you can't do anything message!" when I was bashed and fleelag wouldn't rectify and enter in time.


I'm not calling you a newb, I have the log(if you'd like me to send it to you), we were in a E W S room, you couldn't have fled north.

You fled east, completely safe to run into gap, yet reentered from the east, which is a fluke if you were trying to run, being as I was rolling another bash and chase was spamming for you, and you were batt.

I'm not demeaning you, and please stop with this aggresive attitude, I'm not here to make fun of you, I'm not here to fight with you, I'm not here to do anything with you but attempt at helping balance and pking with or vs you.

So please quit with the negativity towards me, as it also cost me my entire set for something I said on forums, which, is fine with me. You do what you want, and that's fine. Any more posts with massive negativity towards me when I think it not granted as it seems some people think I am always demeaning others, will be thoroughly ignored hence forward. I'm just tired of reading it, and it's always the same thing. Naturally my entire post will be criticized within seconds, but that's fine with me, if people can't get over it, then I'll just let it be. That's how they are I spose in life, so I'm not gonna change it.

This is the absolutely last time I have a "bout" with you zenrin, I don't come to play this game to be b itched at unnecessarily for reasons that are not there.

I still stand that the fleelag was absolutely terrific, it really made chokes worthwhile, and it even ruined nicotine(an infamous spam fleer, no offense ) and it completely destroyed me.

Sadly these realizations can only come about by death or "unhappy" situations. But they do, and there it goes.

I had absolutely no clue about the massive fleelag, had read announcements, but didn't test as I had noone to pk against(no lsers on) so my end was in fleeing 5-7ish times and getting great fleelag mixed with misspams and failed flees

It's gonna be fun now

[Zenrin]

as I practically gave a free kill.

Hahah, whatever floats your boat man.

as for the rest of your post, all i want to say is grow up. im tired of having people log on and tell me what "vurek said", and then having you come onto the forums say contradict yourself.

i didnt return your gear because you said you dont need my respect. if you dont need it, you wont get it. you only prove your tendancy to disrespect with your shit talking and lying.

So please quit with the negativity towards me

my last post was in no way offensive and i'd appologize if it was except that i dont care if you were offended since you dont seem to give much a shit about the words you spread.

So if you have a problem with me, you mail me. if you cannot handle the words that we say in private, then i wont hide what i learn from the public. im not here to be your enemy unless you make me one, so stop with your little game and play the real one.

[on topic]ive said just about everything i have to say on this topic. i have not seen any pk today so i dont know the current situation with fleelag/dodge

[Vurek]

And with that, I will go laugh.

All in all, it was, just another. brick. in. the. wall. Yes. That damn wall fellas.

[Zenrin]

well guys, there you have it. the guy cant think of anything to say thatll make himself look better so tries to make me look like im so pathetic that im not worth arguing with and instead laugh at.

i notice you do that a lot vurek. your "fools die laughing" comment when you cant find something else to say, followed by some random incomprehensable comment that is suppose to look like some kind of inside joke.

very immature way to handle your faults.

[Ravir]

I don't want to be a forum nazi, so maybe I should try and get a "flame @ xxx" button put into forums so I know that the text that follows is just a personal conversation and not something I should waste my time reading in order to see what could be wrong with dodge.

In any case, if you can post some logs on how you or your buddy got torn up and was wearing dodge, and maybe what weapons they were wielding. As much information as possible is always nice.

Just a few words on dodge in general. It was definitly a little over the top before. Allowing easy fleeing and dodging wasn't good. Hopefully a bit of fleelag will make people think abit before fleeing around. If the level currently is over the top, then we can tweak that a bit as well. As for defense, I'd rather see medium dodge levels (I won't exactly state what I consider medium dodge) to be quite useful at parrying, but less so at dodging bashes. So when people die in their nice sets, a basic set that could be bought from the store (and with a little traveling) can still put them back into limited action.

-Ravir

[Vurek]

I was using spiked moon axe with 145 ob and chase was using glittering sword or something(1h) with 140 ob.

Nico could sometimes parry first hits, yet couldn't parry when both of us were on, he had only 200 defense.

But any engaged round with chase and I on him, we broke defense I'm pretty sure 100%.

Same went with me against 2 absers using clubs or something(sorry don't know their ob) so I got torn apart easily as nicotine did.

My log is very messy, and it would take forever to even make pretty, and I think dodge was changed back to a somewhat lesser form than for that period of time where it was absolutely terrible.

An imm spoke from the light about a reboot in 30 minutes saying they would get us out of this hellhole, so I'm unsure of where dodge is at right now.


I think the solution of fleelag mixed with a small downing of the original dodge(where ravir says it's over the top) might be worth testing. I was bashing nicotine pretty easily(99% axes/bash).

Fleelag will definately help, the dodgers won't be able to run in circles as easily now, and will be definately alot more easier to land a bash timer whereas it took forever with old nonish-flee lag.

Really interested in buy stuff in shops like you said Ravir, as it is LS has no daggers in shops(don't know DS situation) so that would be pretty cool.

Then that would also require some more ways to get money

Sorry can't be more help right now, I'm going to have to pk some more against some dodgers, to see how the current dodge is, it changed alot in that 2 hr spam.

[Chase]

*Guttural* has arrived from the north.

HP:Battered MV:Fresh >

*Guttural* blasts your arms hard.

HP:Battered MV:Fresh - Guttural: Hurt>

You slash *Guttural*'s head very hard.
*Guttural* blasts your legs very hard.

HP:Battered MV:Fresh - Guttural: Hurt>
n
No way! You're fighting for your life!

HP:Battered MV:Fresh - Guttural: Hurt>
f
PANIC! You couldn't escape!

HP:Battered MV:Fresh - Guttural: Hurt>
f
PANIC! You couldn't escape!

HP:Battered MV:Fresh - Guttural: Hurt>
f
You panic and attempt to flee!

HP:Battered MV:Fresh - Guttural: Hurt>
f
e

*Guttural* sends you sprawling with a powerful bash!

HP:Battered MV:Fresh - Guttural: Hurt>

*Guttural* looks at you.

HP:Battered MV:Fresh - Guttural: Hurt>

*Guttural* blasts your legs into bloody fragments!
You wish that your wounds would stop BLEEDING so much!

HP:Beaten MV:Fresh - Guttural: Hurt>
narr fuck

*Guttural* blasts your shoulders into bloody fragments!
You wish that your wounds would stop BLEEDING so much!

HP:Critical MV:Fresh - Guttural: Hurt>

Thats in a 170 defense set. Not exactly the best dodge set, but a solo troll with a mere spiked axe was destroying me solo. Every time he engaged me he hit me unbashed solo. Not a post death anything, I didn't die and they eventually ripped.

Btw guys in that pk, we were returning but crash ate all the equipment

[Vurek]

Have a few examples, sartak had this set:

Chase gets a pair of wolfhide boots from the corpse of Sartak.
Chase gets a pair of wolfhide leggings from the corpse of Sartak.
Chase gets a leather covered targe from the corpse of Sartak.
Chase gets an opalescent crystalline dagger from the corpse of Sartak.
Chase gets a pair of thick boarhide gloves from the corpse of Sartak.
Chase gets a wide blue wristband from the corpse of Sartak.
Chase gets a wide blue wristband from the corpse of Sartak.
Chase gets a belt made of bones with a skull shaped buckle from the corpse of Sartak.
Chase gets a pair of wolfhide sleeves from the corpse of Sartak.
Chase gets a set of blue woven shoulder coverings from the corpse of Sartak.
Chase gets a thick green knit tunic from the corpse of Sartak.
Chase gets a shadow-gray cloak from the corpse of Sartak.
Chase gets a comfortable woolen hood from the corpse of Sartak.
Chase gets a sparkling green earring from the corpse of Sartak.
Chase gets a sparkling green earring from the corpse of Sartak.
Chase gets a plain white scarf from the corpse of Sartak.
Chase gets a plain white scarf from the corpse of Sartak.
Chase gets a large water skin from the corpse of Sartak.
Chase gets a large slab of meat from the corpse of Sartak.
Chase gets a slab of raw meat from the corpse of Sartak.

So packing some decent defense.


I have 144 ob. Chase 140ish , and Druss had 138 ish



Some examples:


HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
The Great Blight
[ Exits: s w ]
A white stallion is standing here.
*Sartak* is standing here.
Druss has arrived from the south, riding a black warhorse.

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
You slash *Sartak*'s head very hard.

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh - Sartak: Wounded>
No way! You're fighting for your life!

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh - Sartak: Wounded>
You do the best you can!

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh - Sartak: Wounded>
Druss blasts *Sartak*'s body very hard.

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh - Sartak: Wounded>

*
*Sartak* panics, and attempts to flee!

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh - Sartak: Wounded>
-
*Sartak* leaves south.



__________


Example of Sartak already engaged on druss, soon to follow by 2 others:


You do the best you can!

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh - Guttural: Battered --- Chase: Beaten
>
You do the best you can!

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh - Guttural: Battered --- Chase: Beaten
>
You do the best you can!

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh - Guttural: Battered --- Chase: Beaten
>
You do the best you can!
*Sartak* barely pierces Druss's head.

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh - Guttural: Battered --- Chase: Beaten
>
You do the best you can!

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh - Guttural: Battered --- Chase: Beaten
>
You do the best you can!

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh - Guttural: Battered --- Chase: Beaten
>
You do the best you can!

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh - Guttural: Battered --- Chase: Beaten
>

*Guttural* leaves east.
Chase tries to slash *Sartak*'s body, but he parries the attack.

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
You slash *Sartak*'s head very hard.

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh - Sartak: Wounded --- Druss: Beaten
>
You slash *Sartak*'s legs extremely hard.
Chase slashes *Sartak*'s hands very hard.
*Sartak* barely tickles Druss's body with his pierce,
You do the best you can!



________


HP:Hurt MV:Fresh >
55555/5555555
What?!?

HP:Hurt MV:Fresh >
g
You slash *Sartak*'s arms extremely hard.

HP:Hurt MV:Fresh - Sartak: Battered>
g
You do the best you can!

HP:Hurt MV:Fresh - Sartak: Battered>
g
You do the best you can!
Chase narrates, 'gutteral'

HP:Hurt MV:Fresh - Sartak: Battered>
g
You do the best you can!

HP:Hurt MV:Fresh - Sartak: Battered>
g
You do the best you can!

HP:Hurt MV:Fresh - Sartak: Battered>

*Sartak* panics, and attempts to flee!
Druss tries to blast *Sartak*'s waist, but he parries the attack.

HP:Hurt MV:Fresh - Sartak: Battered>
Chase tries to slash *Sartak*'s feet, but he parries the attack.

HP:Hurt MV:Fresh - Sartak: Battered>

*
*Sartak* leaves east.

________


HP:Hurt MV:Fresh >
Path to Tarwin's Gap
[ Exits: n e s w ]
A white stallion is standing here.
You feel the presence of someone nearby....

HP:Hurt MV:Fresh >
You try to slash *Sartak*'s head, but he parries the attack.

HP:Hurt MV:Fresh - Sartak: Battered>
No way! You're fighting for your life!

HP:Hurt MV:Fresh - Sartak: Battered>
HP:Hurt MV:Fresh - Sartak: Battered>

*
*Sartak* panics, and attempts to flee!

HP:Hurt MV:Fresh - Sartak: Battered>
-
*Sartak* leaves west.
*Sartak* has arrived from the west.

HP:Hurt MV:Fresh >

*Sartak* leaves north.


_______


HP:Hurt MV:Fresh >
Between the Foothills
[ Exits: n e w ]
The corpse of Guttural is lying here.
A white stallion is standing here.
Druss , captain of the Axe is here, fighting *Sartak*!, riding a black warhorse.
*Sartak* is here, fighting Chase!.
Chase Maravin is here, fighting *Sartak*!, riding a white stallion.
*Sartak* panics, and attempts to flee!

HP:Hurt MV:Fresh >
You slash *Sartak*'s hands hard.

HP:Hurt MV:Fresh - Sartak: Battered --- Chase: Beaten
>
You do the best you can!

HP:Hurt MV:Fresh - Sartak: Battered --- Chase: Beaten
>
HP:Hurt MV:Fresh - Sartak: Battered --- Chase: Beaten
>

* -
*Sartak* leaves west.


_______


HP:Hurt MV:Fresh >
They don't seem to be here.
*Sartak* has arrived from the south.

HP:Hurt MV:Fresh >
You try to slash *Sartak*'s shoulders, but he dodges the attack.

HP:Hurt MV:Fresh - Sartak: Wounded>
You do the best you can!

HP:Hurt MV:Fresh - Sartak: Wounded>
You do the best you can!

HP:Hurt MV:Fresh - Sartak: Wounded>
You do the best you can!

HP:Hurt MV:Fresh - Sartak: Wounded>
HP:Hurt MV:Fresh - Sartak: Wounded>

*
*Sartak* panics, and attempts to flee!
Chase has arrived from the south, riding a white stallion.

HP:Hurt MV:Fresh - Sartak: Wounded>

Chase tries to slash *Sartak*'s legs, but he dodges the attack.

HP:Hurt MV:Fresh - Sartak: Wounded>
- %
*Sartak* leaves east.



_________


HP:Hurt MV:Fresh >
They don't seem to be here.
*Sartak* has arrived from the south.

HP:Hurt MV:Fresh >
You try to slash *Sartak*'s arms, but he dodges the attack.

HP:Hurt MV:Fresh - Sartak: Wounded>
You do the best you can!

HP:Hurt MV:Fresh - Sartak: Wounded>
You do the best you can!

HP:Hurt MV:Fresh - Sartak: Wounded>
You do the best you can!

HP:Hurt MV:Fresh - Sartak: Wounded>
HP:Hurt MV:Fresh - Sartak: Wounded>

*Sartak* panics, and attempts to flee!

HP:Hurt MV:Fresh - Sartak: Wounded>

* - %
*Sartak* leaves east.



_______


HP:Hurt MV:Fresh >
They don't seem to be here.
*Sartak* has arrived from the east.

HP:Hurt MV:Fresh >
You slash *Sartak*'s arms very hard.

HP:Hurt MV:Fresh - Sartak: Battered>
You do the best you can!

HP:Hurt MV:Fresh - Sartak: Battered>
You do the best you can!

HP:Hurt MV:Fresh - Sartak: Battered>
HP:Hurt MV:Fresh - Sartak: Battered>

*
*Sartak* panics, and attempts to flee!

HP:Hurt MV:Fresh - Sartak: Battered>

Chase narrates, 'he hit?'

HP:Hurt MV:Fresh - Sartak: Battered>
- % -
*Sartak* leaves east.
*Sartak* has arrived from the east.

HP:Hurt MV:Fresh >

*Sartak* leaves north.


_______


HP:Scratched MV:Fresh >
The Great Blight
[ Exits: n e s w ]
A large water skin is setting here.
A brown bag is setting here, collecting dust.
A full helm with visor has been dropped here.
A large metal breastplate lies here in prime condition.
A pair of full lengthed vambraces lie here.
A long wide chain lies here.
A pair of gauntlets made of thick metal lie here.
A wickedly spiked axe lies here.
A heavy shield trimmed from a piece of steel is here.
A pair of iron greaves that have been overly polished lie here.
A pair of heavy metal boots lie here.
A white stallion is standing here.
You feel the presence of someone nearby....

HP:Scratched MV:Fresh >
You try to slash *Sartak*'s feet, but he dodges the attack.
Druss has arrived from the south, riding a black warhorse.

HP:Scratched MV:Fresh - Sartak: Wounded>

Druss leaves north, riding a black warhorse.

HP:Scratched MV:Fresh - Sartak: Wounded>
HP:Scratched MV:Fresh - Sartak: Wounded>

* -
*Sartak* gets a large water skin.

HP:Scratched MV:Fresh - Sartak: Wounded>

*Sartak* barely pierces your head.
*Sartak* tickles your arms as he pierces you.

HP:Hurt MV:Fresh - Sartak: Wounded>

*Sartak* panics, and attempts to flee!

HP:Hurt MV:Fresh - Sartak: Wounded>
% -
*Sartak* leaves south.





Hope that helps. Cut it up b/c my logs are outrageously long due to tons of spamming and other trolls pking.

[Chase]

That log shows a lot of parrying unbashed. I know everytime I was hit solo, trolls broke my defense. This set is better than a set that two days ago buffed nicotine and nocrim.. Kinda went from really uber dodge to the opposite end of the spectrum.

[Vurek]

I really don't think Sartak was parrying near enough as he should be.

I think he has very high % in dodge/shield parry, so he probably had better defense than you did chase(and dodge should at at least parry unbashed hits, especially semi-decent dodge).

Can't really find out until we find out what sartak's actual defense was. Please post sartak, would be helpful

[Ravir]

Do you remember when these logs occured? As in today, yesterday, a couple days ago?

[Chase]

Like 30 mins ago.

[Chase]

Log of today:

Western Entrance to Four Kings
This area shows that while Four Kings may be bustling at times it still very
much relies on the farming in the area to prosper. Just to the east you can
see the beginning of a more mercantile area.
[ Exits: e s w ]
A small brass lantern is setting here.
Dross Nightmare is standing here, riding a black warhorse.
A white stallion is standing here.

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
`
You slash Dross's shoulders very hard.

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh - Dross: Hurt>

Dross slashes your arms hard.
You slash Dross's body.

HP:Scratched MV:Fresh - Dross: Wounded>
say tesing
You say 'tesing'

HP:Scratched MV:Fresh - Dross: Wounded>
cw
Mood changed to: Wimpy
Dross says 'hey'

HP:Scratched MV:Fresh - Dross: Wounded>

Dross panics, and attempts to flee!

HP:Scratched MV:Fresh - Dross: Wounded>

Dross panics, and attempts to flee!

HP:Scratched MV:Fresh - Dross: Wounded>

Dross slashes your body.
You slash Dross's body.

HP:Scratched MV:Fresh - Dross: Wounded>

Dross panics, and attempts to flee!

HP:Scratched MV:Fresh - Dross: Wounded>

Dross leaves south, riding a black warhorse.

HP:Scratched MV:Fresh >

Dross has arrived from the south, riding a black warhorse.

HP:Scratched MV:Fresh >
narr wtf.
You narrate, 'wtf.'

HP:Scratched MV:Fresh >
narr hit me unbashed.
You narrate, 'hit me unbashed.'

EQ:
You are using:
<used as light> a small brass lantern
<held> a brown bag
<worn around neck> a plain white scarf
<worn around neck> a plain white scarf
<worn in right ear> a sparkling green earring
<worn in left ear> a sparkling green earring
<worn on head> a gold threaded turban
<worn about body> a shadow-gray cloak
<worn on body> a light green chainmail shirt
<worn on shoulders> a set of blue woven shoulder coverings
<worn on arms> a pair of gold-embroidered silk sleeves
<worn about waist> a belt made of bones with a skull shaped buckle
<worn around wrist> a wristcuff with embedded gems
<worn around wrist> a wristcuff with embedded gems
<worn on hands> a pair of thick boarhide gloves
<worn on finger> a shiny silver ring
<wielded> a glittering jeweled encrusted longsword
<worn as shield> a round buckler
<worn on legs> a pair of wolfhide leggings
<worn on feet> a pair of black tooled silver boots

DEF:
You are a 18 year old human.
Your mood is currently: Wimpy
Your height is 6 feet, 2 inches, weight 151 pounds, weight carried 12.0 lbs, worn: 37.0 lbs.
Offensive Bonus: 110 Dodge Bonus: 53, Parry Bonus: 111
Your armor absorbs 15% damage on average.
You are affected by:
NO QUIT
NOTICE


Not the best equipment, but shouldnt that defense be able to hold up against a lvl 26 human wielding a scimitar with 140 ob? Atleast so that I can buff him unbashed without him hitting me 100% of the time..

[Guest]

i have a bit over 200 defense nd i rarely parried a hit unbashed from his cutlass, but maybe thats 21 str