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Siteban Lamgwin.

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 1:36 am
by Crunch
You sitebanned him once for acting like a complete fucknut.

Well guess what. He is still a complete joke. This guy spam warrants everyone, talks back to imms, drives away new players, full loots, loots things he doesnt need, steals scalps, uses unknown alts to do lame things...

Freakin siteban this loser already.

Who agrees?

Re: Siteban Lamgwin.

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 1:41 am
by Gerry
Welcome!
A Small Inn
Providing a peaceful night away from the rigors of duty in the borderlands,
this small inn is frequented by off duty soldiers from every corner of the
realm. Small tables are scattered throughout the common area for meals, and
the innkeeper stands ready to see to your every need.
[ Exits: n ]
North: *Barf* is resting here.
A polished ivory bar runs along the length of the far wall, complete with bar stools.
A large rat is here scurrying out of sight.
A high-rank Shienaran soldier is standing here.
A high-rank Shienaran soldier is standing here.
A high-rank Shienaran soldier is standing here.
A high-rank Shienaran soldier is standing here.
A tall innkeeper is here, offering some rooms.

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
who

-------------- Players --------------

Gerry the gentle gentile
Tryndamere

-------------- Stats --------------

Currently active: 2 humans 4 trollocs.
Today there was a high of 7 players.
The record high of 26 players was reached on 05-05-2010.

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
sneak
Okay, you'll try to move silently for a while.

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
n
Fork in the Lane
The road forks into three different branches here. Northward, the Malkier gate
can be clearly seen. To the south, the wall of the Fal Dara keep blocks all
passage. The second road moves both east and west, around the keep.
[ Exits: n e s w ]
North: A hardened Shienaran soldier stands here on guard.
East : A hardened Shienaran soldier stands here on guard.
South: A large rat is here scurrying out of sight.
An ancient iron bell hangs from the tower, covered in faded scrollwork.
An old wooden bell tower leans to one side as if about to collapse.
*Barf* is resting here.
*Crunch* is resting here.

HP:Healthy MV:Excellent >
h
You attempt to hide yourself.

HP:Healthy MV:Excellent >
1
HP:Healthy MV:Excellent >
=
* + - = back crunch
% Cancelled...

HP:Healthy MV:Excellent >
=
* + *Barf* growls '2 zdkeP'

HP:Healthy MV:Excellent >
- = % = - +
* *Crunch* makes a strange sound but is suddenly very silent as you place the tainted blade of Shadar Logoth in his back.
*Crunch* grimaces in pain.
You receive some experience points!
Your fame around the world has increased.
Your blood freezes as you hear *Crunch*'s death cry.
*Crunch* is dead! R.I.P.
You have a running streak of two kills!

HP:Healthy MV:Excellent >
gac
You get a pair of steel-bound combat boots from the corpse of Crunch.
You get a pair of silver full-greaves with golden knee caps from the corpse of Crunch.
You get a heron-marked blade from the Age of Legends from the corpse of Crunch.
You get a black ring from the corpse of Crunch.
You get a black ring from the corpse of Crunch.
You get a heavy pair of gold-knuckled silver gauntlets from the corpse of Crunch.
You get a plated silver belt with a golden scabbard from the corpse of Crunch.
You get a set of ornate silver vambraces worked with gold from the corpse of Crunch.
You get a set of curved silver pauldrons plated in gold from the corpse of Crunch.
You get a silver-breasted cuirass bound in gold from the corpse of Crunch.
You get a moderate sized backpack from the corpse of Crunch.
You get a long, heavy black cape from the corpse of Crunch.
You get a gold-plated silver full helm from the corpse of Crunch.
You get a polished amulet of onyx from the corpse of Crunch.
You get a polished amulet of onyx from the corpse of Crunch.
You get a set of large keys from the corpse of Crunch.
You get a blood covered flask of human flesh from the corpse of Crunch.
You get a large slab of meat from the corpse of Crunch.

HP:Healthy MV:Excellent >

u mad bro?

your abs are n gate fm.

Re: Siteban Lamgwin.

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 1:47 am
by Barf
hehe, got all that right before boot :P

Re: Siteban Lamgwin.

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 1:54 am
by Robby
Well he's alted the eq to his Valon as he just logged on and horse tracks were going Tar Valon.

There's also a log of him lame killing Tyson too on Borderguard forums and then full looting him and spam renting before anyone could do anything.

I would really appreciate some action on all the OOC bullshit this guy pulls. At first I thought he just had a skewed perception of the Wheel of Time world and the game but not I know it really is just greedy personal vendettas to ruin people's day. I don't really care about looting stuff, there's no rules about it but its the way you do OOC shit and then try defend your alts on your Borderguard etc. Its retarded and quite frankly I am sick of it.

I'm sick of you narrating my alts too as if it has some kind of impact on me, narrating alts is illegal in itself. I myself have also been repeatedly warranted by him even after staff members have pardoned me. His reasons for the warrants are more than questionable to say the least.

This is beyond docking qps, beyond removal of council privileges in my opinion. I agree with Crunch on the siteban, not that I want to tell the staff how to do their job. I already mailed Galnor with regards to player harassment before this thread even appeared.

Re: Siteban Lamgwin.

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 1:57 am
by Crunch
Oh, you haven't even begun to hear about player harassment. Just wait until Chase puts his two cents in here...

Re: Siteban Lamgwin.

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 1:59 am
by Otar
Siteban this flag already, I find it absurd that such an enormous detriment to the game hasn't been flushed away like shit down a toilet.

Re: Siteban Lamgwin.

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 2:05 am
by Lamgwin
Let me see if I can understand what's being asked here.

Because I warranted Crunch for killing my clan mate Racyn while I was on Malaki I should be sitebanned?

Because I warranted Sickle for asking Barf to clan him so he could kill me on Malaki in my clan room, I should be sitebanned?

Because I warranted Robby for murdering me when I was naked/critical and taking my whole set when I died in trolloc pk I should be sitebanned?

Because I killed Tyson I should be sitebanned?

Because I killed Crunch I should be sitebanned?

Since when is looting uniques siteban worthy?

I didn't alt the equipment to Lamgwin, I simply ran to Tar Valon to rent, because I knew Crunch would alert Robby via messengers and have him try to kill me. And even if I did, is that siteban worthy?

Re: Siteban Lamgwin.

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 2:06 am
by Adeline
When I was online today it seemed like almost everyone had a TV warrant given to them by Lamgwin, including people like BGs. That's alienating for TV clans.

+1

Re: Siteban Lamgwin.

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 2:07 am
by Racyn
i jest wunt a bag of cheatos

Re: Siteban Lamgwin.

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 2:08 am
by Lamgwin
Robby, Tyson, and Jule are currently the only people who have Valon warrants.

Re: Siteban Lamgwin.

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 2:11 am
by Barf
ok, well I hate doing this but:

Lamgwin, you need to be stopped. You ignore what imms say and you drive away players. You need to stop doing this or be punished for it. Not many people on this mud like you because of this. To name a few: You drove away tiberius, you completely put ark off of this game, and probably the main reason chase doesn't play much anymore is because of you. You are good with manipulation words, so I'm not going to try to argue with you with my late-night brain. As cammori said, this mud can't take this much hate, and you are the cause for a lot of it. As seen in post above, you looted a unique (which you wouldn't use on the character you killed him with) and then post it. That is a very good picture of what kind of person you are.

The survival of this mud is first and foremost in this post. The way I see it is: 1) we keep you here and let you go unpunished, and new players are driven off and the mud dies. or 2) You get banned and we lose an active player. or 3) you can decide to just stop doing crap like this and actually try to enjoy a game. However, I don't think you are here to enjoy the game anymore as you said (paraphrased): "The only reason I play is screw around with bullies like you (crunch), evilina, and nyoga). Well, guess what? Who do you think statted me a character, gave me eq, and helped me lvl to 30 on my very first day here? Nyoga did. Guess who gave me my first set, showed me zones, and helped me lvl on ds? Crunch did. Guess who helped me learn a ton about the game mechanics? Evilina did.

P.S. Racyn attacked crunch first you g. I order you to not warrant crunch again, as it is an unlawful warrant
Nyoga is always extremely helpful to new players with no experience before. Crunch will always give new players eq, such as abs, combo, and even uniques. Evilina always showed how to pk with balls and get kills from it. What have you done to help new players? When do you give good, fun pk when it isn't in a group? As I stated before, please just stop this stuff.

Imms: please don't let anyone get away with this. Is it worth having one old player and losing 4 new players, especially when all of those new players are very nice?

-Sincerely, Barf the Puke Slayer (who seems to have been slayed a lot in really weird circumstances lately...)

P.S. Racyn attacked crunch first you idiot. Do not warrant crunch again, it is an unlawful warrant. You warranted robby because he took rhilor ("property of the tower" you stated if I remember right), meaning that you brought that rip upon yourself.

P.P.S Racyn- I will give you a bag of cheetos if you want!

Re: Siteban Lamgwin.

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 2:14 am
by Racyn
LOL no he acshully ataked me 1st den fukn lyed about it

y da fuk wuld i atak him da onlee wepon i had wus my shlong wich is qite powrful btw

nar WUT
You narrate, 'WUT'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'if you watch that u'll turn into a democrat'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
Crunch has arrived from the west.

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
Crunch looks at you.

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'and we won't let you vote on shitz'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
yell HALP
You yell, 'HALP'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
yelp HALP
What?!?

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
yell CHEATO HERE
You yell, 'CHEATO HERE'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'lol'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
Crunch sends you sprawling with a powerful bash!

HP:Scratched MV:Fresh - Crunch: Healthy>
Crunch slices your body into bloody fragments!

HP:Hurt MV:Fresh - Crunch: Healthy>
flee
Malaki narrates, 'oh those were yells from you'

HP:Hurt MV:Fresh - Crunch: Healthy>
Crunch slices your feet into bloody fragments!

HP:Hurt MV:Fresh - Crunch: Healthy>
You panic and attempt to flee!

HP:Hurt MV:Fresh - Crunch: Healthy>
n
An Intersection Leading to a Tower
[ Exits: n s w ]
You flee head over heels.
A Turn in the Path
[ Exits: e s w ]
Crunch 'n' Munch, the General is standing here.

HP:Hurt MV:Excellent >
e
The barreddoor seems to be closed.

HP:Hurt MV:Excellent >
e
Malaki yells, 'IS HE GIVING YOU A WARRENT'

HP:Hurt MV:Excellent >
The barreddoor seems to be closed.

HP:Hurt MV:Excellent >
Crunch tries to slice your body, but misses.

HP:Hurt MV:Excellent - Crunch: Healthy>
w
No way! You're fighting for your life!

HP:Hurt MV:Excellent - Crunch: Healthy>
flee
You panic and attempt to flee!

HP:Hurt MV:Excellent - Crunch: Healthy>
w
w
w
An Intersection Leading to a Tower
[ Exits: n s w ]
You flee head over heels.
The Path to a Tower
[ Exits: e w ]

HP:Hurt MV:Excellent >
The Path to a Tower
[ Exits: e w ]

HP:Hurt MV:Excellent >
At the Base of the Tower
[ Exits: n e s w u ]

HP:Hurt MV:Excellent >
yell HALP
You yell, 'HALP'

HP:Hurt MV:Excellent >
u
Along the Stairs
[ Exits: e u d ]
A trolloc of the Ghob'hlin is standing here.

HP:Hurt MV:Excellent >
d
At the Base of the Tower
[ Exits: n e s w u ]

HP:Hurt MV:Excellent >
n
Four Way Turn in front of a Tower
[ Exits: n e s w ]
An ugly, mud covered trolloc stands here, sniffing for blood.
An elite assassin trolloc is here, barely noticable.

HP:Hurt MV:Excellent >
n
Along the Darkened Path
[ Exits: n s ]
Crunch 'n' Munch, the General is standing here.

HP:Hurt MV:Excellent >
n
Along the Darkened Path
[ Exits: n s ]
A Dha'vol trolloc is here, awaiting the orders of the Chosen.

HP:Hurt MV:Excellent >
n
Along the Darkened Path
[ Exits: e s ]
An ugly, mud covered trolloc stands here, sniffing for blood.

HP:Hurt MV:Excellent >
n
Alas, you cannot go that way...

HP:Hurt MV:Excellent >
e
Along the Darkened Path
[ Exits: n w ]

HP:Hurt MV:Excellent >
n
n
Along the Darkened Path
[ Exits: n s ]
An ugly, mud covered trolloc stands here, sniffing for blood.
An elite assassin trolloc is here, barely noticable.

HP:Hurt MV:Strong >
w
The Southern Street of the Blackened Hold
[ Exits: e s w ]
An ugly, mud covered trolloc stands here, sniffing for blood.
An ugly, mud covered trolloc stands here, sniffing for blood.

HP:Hurt MV:Strong >
w
The Southern Three Way Fork in the Blackened Streets
[ Exits: n e w ]
An ugly, mud covered trolloc stands here, sniffing for blood.
An ugly, mud covered trolloc stands here, sniffing for blood.

HP:Hurt MV:Strong >
w
The Southern Street of the Blackened Hold
[ Exits: n e w ]

HP:Hurt MV:Strong >
w
The Southern Street of the Blackened Hold
[ Exits: e w ]
An ugly, mud covered trolloc stands here, sniffing for blood.

HP:Hurt MV:Strong >
w
A Sharp Turn in the Twisted Streets
[ Exits: n e ]
An enormous beaked trolloc is standing here.
An enormous beaked trolloc is standing here.

HP:Hurt MV:Strong >
n
Alas, you cannot go that way...

HP:Hurt MV:Strong >
South of a Grotesque Well
[ Exits: n s ]
An ugly, mud covered trolloc stands here, sniffing for blood.

HP:Hurt MV:Strong >
n
A Grotesque Well in the Blackened Hold
[ Exits: n s w ]
An intricate bow of sungwood lies here.
A cloth quiver of fine quality lies here.
A leather quiver lies on the ground here.
A crumbling stone well is here, ready to collapse.
A bell tower stands here, its stone carved with statues of legends past.
A bronze bell hangs inside the highest window of the tower.
A Dreadlord smirks here, an aura of power about him.

HP:Hurt MV:Strong >
w
Entering the Blackened Hold
[ Exits: e w ]
An ugly, mud covered trolloc stands here, sniffing for blood.

HP:Hurt MV:Strong >
w
At the Gates of the Blackened Hold
[ Exits: e w ]
Some tough leather is standing upright here, forming the shape of a hat.
A tunic made of thick iron lies here.
A pair of gauntlets lie here gathering dust.
A pair of leggings have been abandoned here.
Thick leather boots sit on the ground here.
A trolloc of the Dhjin'nen tribe stands here.
A trolloc of the Dhjin'nen tribe stands here.

HP:Hurt MV:Strong >
w
Before the Massive Walls
[ Exits: e w ]
A wicked Kno'mon hunterkiller is here, fighting Ianunna the escaped damane!.
Ianunna the escaped damane is here, fighting a wicked Kno'mon hunterkiller!.

HP:Hurt MV:Strong >
w
On the Crumbling Road
[ Exits: e s ]
A deer staggers along weakly.

HP:Hurt MV:Strong >
w
Alas, you cannot go that way...

HP:Hurt MV:Strong >
s
On the Crumbling Road
[ Exits: n s w ]
The corpse of A staggering deer is lying here. [2]

HP:Hurt MV:Strong >
s
A Turn in the Road
[ Exits: n w ]
The corpse of A staggering deer is lying here.

HP:Hurt MV:Strong >
w
Along the Crumbling Road
[ Exits: n e w ]
A deer staggers along weakly.

HP:Hurt MV:Strong >
where
Players in your Zone
--------------------
Racyn - Along the Crumbling Road

HP:Hurt MV:Strong >
n
Blighted Woods
[ Exits: e s ]
A tall, rotting tree is here, leaning to one side.
A tall, rotting tree is here, leaning to one side.

HP:Hurt MV:Strong >
where
Players in your Zone
--------------------
Racyn - Blighted Woods

HP:Hurt MV:Strong >
where
Players in your Zone
--------------------
Racyn - Blighted Woods

HP:Hurt MV:Strong >
where
Players in your Zone
--------------------
Racyn - Blighted Woods

HP:Hurt MV:Strong >
where
Players in your Zone
--------------------
Racyn - Blighted Woods

HP:Hurt MV:Strong >
where
Players in your Zone
--------------------
Racyn - Blighted Woods

HP:Hurt MV:Strong >
where
Players in your Zone
--------------------
Racyn - Blighted Woods

HP:Hurt MV:Strong >
where
Players in your Zone
--------------------
Racyn - Blighted Woods

Re: Siteban Lamgwin.

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 2:20 am
by Lamgwin
Tiberius wrote:Yeah been busy, started uni in september and it doesn't give me much time to play, i'll try and get some play this weekend.
According to Barf, I forced Tiberius into university and set his course load. Chase also just started law school, his work load there couldn't possibly have an impact on how much time he has to play.

Re: Siteban Lamgwin.

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 2:21 am
by Barf
dude, that log didn't show anything. It just showed him attacking you and then you running off. You could have attacked him before that, or came back and attacked him, lol.

Re: Siteban Lamgwin.

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 2:22 am
by Shazz
Lamgwin wrote: I forced Tiberius into university and set his course load.
from the general education level here, you need to drive some more kids away!

Re: Siteban Lamgwin.

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 2:23 am
by Racyn
ok heres da ful fukn log den

Welcome!
The Southern Street of the Blackened Hold
[ Exits: e w ]

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
who
-------------- Immortals --------------

Avaine

-------------- Players --------------

Racyn
Sickle
Malaki
Barf the Puke Slayer [Dhjin'nen Council]

-------------- Stats --------------

Currently active: 4 trollocs.
Today there was a high of 6 players.
The record high of 26 players was reached on 05-05-2010.

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
nar wel luk wut tha cat drag in LOL
You narrate, 'wel luk wut tha cat drag in LOL'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'LOL RACYN'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
nar hoo the fuk r u
You narrate, 'hoo the fuk r u'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'guess what racyn'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'the cheato is cheating again'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
nar wut do u wunt u fukn pig
You narrate, 'wut do u wunt u fukn pig'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
nar WUT
You narrate, 'WUT'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'yeah he's not giving out warrents like he promised'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
nar WER IS THAT SACK OF SINISTER
You narrate, 'WER IS THAT SACK OF SINISTER'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'damn cheato'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
shout CHEATO CUM OUT
You shout, 'CHEATO CUM OUT'

HP:Critical MV:Fresh >
nar only evil givs a warrent LOL
You narrate, 'only evil givs a warrent LOL'

HP:Critical MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'too bad he died irl'

HP:Critical MV:Fresh >
nar LOL gud
You narrate, 'LOL gud'

HP:Critical MV:Fresh >
A mud covered trolloc has arrived from the east.

HP:Critical MV:Fresh >
nar wut did he do drink 2 much mothr milk
You narrate, 'wut did he do drink 2 much mothr milk'

HP:Beaten MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'he tried to tea bag an immigrant'

HP:Beaten MV:Fresh >
nar wut
You narrate, 'wut'

HP:Beaten MV:Fresh >
The sun slowly disappears in the west.

HP:Beaten MV:Fresh >
Barf tells you, 'could you please vote yes for schitz being in clan?'

HP:Beaten MV:Fresh >
nar barf is teling me 2 vote for shitz LOL
You narrate, 'barf is teling me 2 vote for shitz LOL'

HP:Beaten MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'LOL'

HP:Beaten MV:Fresh >
Barf narrates, 'doo it'

HP:Beaten MV:Fresh >
A mud covered trolloc has arrived from the east.

HP:Beaten MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'why are we clanning poop'

HP:Beaten MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'lol'

HP:Beaten MV:Fresh >
nar THIS ARE A TRIK I NO IT
You narrate, 'THIS ARE A TRIK I NO IT'

HP:Beaten MV:Fresh >
nar IT IS LYK THE TYM EVIL TRIKED ME
You narrate, 'IT IS LYK THE TYM EVIL TRIKED ME'

HP:Beaten MV:Fresh >
nar U FUKS ALWEYS
You narrate, 'U FUKS ALWEYS'

HP:Beaten MV:Fresh >
A mud covered trolloc has arrived from the west.

HP:Beaten MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'we need to come up with a plan racyn'

HP:Beaten MV:Fresh >
A grunting female trolloc has arrived from the west.

HP:Beaten MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'to get that cheato '

HP:Beaten MV:Fresh >
nar yes
You narrate, 'yes'

HP:Beaten MV:Fresh >
The night has begun.

HP:Beaten MV:Fresh >
nar lik we got tat 1 guy LOL
You narrate, 'lik we got tat 1 guy LOL'

HP:Beaten MV:Fresh >
nar w8 wut is a clan
You narrate, 'w8 wut is a clan'

HP:Beaten MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'lol yeah'

HP:Beaten MV:Fresh >
nar n how do i get in 1
You narrate, 'n how do i get in 1'

HP:Beaten MV:Fresh >
A mud covered trolloc leaves west.

HP:Beaten MV:Fresh >
Barf narrates, 'you are in one...'

HP:Beaten MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'lol racyn'

HP:Beaten MV:Fresh >
nar rly
You narrate, 'rly'

HP:Beaten MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'i tricked you'

HP:Beaten MV:Fresh >
nar wut
You narrate, 'wut'

HP:Beaten MV:Fresh >
nar w8
You narrate, 'w8'

HP:Beaten MV:Fresh >
nar wut is goin on
You narrate, 'wut is goin on'

HP:Beaten MV:Fresh >
who
-------------- Immortals --------------

Avaine (idle)

-------------- Players --------------

Racyn
Sickle
Malaki
Barf the Puke Slayer [Dhjin'nen Council]

-------------- Stats --------------

Currently active: 4 trollocs.
Today there was a high of 6 players.
The record high of 26 players was reached on 05-05-2010.

HP:Beaten MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'you said you didn't want a clan'

HP:Beaten MV:Fresh >
Barf narrates, 'yeah, malaki clanned you already :P'

HP:Beaten MV:Fresh >
nar FUK U
You narrate, 'FUK U'

HP:Beaten MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'and i tricked you into signing a waiver'

HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'now you are clanned '

HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
nar HOW DO I GET A CLAN 2 GO AWEY
You narrate, 'HOW DO I GET A CLAN 2 GO AWEY'

HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'into dhjin'nen'

HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'kill the cheato'

HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
nar I DONT Wunt2 BE in a CLAN WITH SHITZ
You narrate, 'I DONT Wunt2 BE in a CLAN WITH SHITZ'

HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'and hjin'nen will be away'

HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
nar I wunts 2 EAT CHEATSO
You narrate, 'I wunts 2 EAT CHEATSO'

HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
Barf narrates, 'you can vote yes to schitz and I will declan you :P'

HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
nar rly
You narrate, 'rly'

HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
Barf narrates, 'no'

HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
nar do 1 hav 2 tuch it
You narrate, 'do 1 hav 2 tuch it'

HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
nar cuz thats a deal breaker
You narrate, 'cuz thats a deal breaker'

HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'lol'

HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
A grunting female trolloc leaves west.

HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
Barf narrates, 'well, maybe'

HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
Beginning autosave. Please wait...

Autosave complete.
HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
Barf narrates, 'how long would you be good for?'

HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
A mud covered trolloc leaves east.

HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
nar THEN FUK U
You narrate, 'THEN FUK U'

HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
nar go pack tat fudge urself
You narrate, 'go pack tat fudge urself'

HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
A grunting female trolloc has arrived from the west.

HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
A mud covered trolloc leaves east.

HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
nar WERE DO I VOTE
You narrate, 'WERE DO I VOTE'

HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
nar HOW DO I VOT
You narrate, 'HOW DO I VOT'

HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'u rn't registered '

HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
nar HOW DOIREGERER
You narrate, 'HOW DOIREGERER'

HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'ghetto black kids can't vote'

HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'lol'

HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
A mud covered trolloc has arrived from the east.

HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
nar im NOT BLAK IM ITALIEN LOL
You narrate, 'im NOT BLAK IM ITALIEN LOL'

HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'same thing really'

HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
nar tel tony sofrano that
You narrate, 'tel tony sofrano that'

HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'who is that'

HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
nar or tony sombrerero i forget LOL
You narrate, 'or tony sombrerero i forget LOL'

HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
Joseph narrates, 'tony soprano'

HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'are you talking about guerrero'

HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
nar tony guerrero
You narrate, 'tony guerrero'

HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
nar LOL
You narrate, 'LOL'

HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
A grunting female trolloc leaves east.

HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'hah'

HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
nar HOW do i regerer
You narrate, 'HOW do i regerer'

HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
nar 2 vote
You narrate, '2 vote'

HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'gotta kill the cheato'

HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
nar i wunt 2 be a republican
You narrate, 'i wunt 2 be a republican'

HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
nar but im 2 yung
You narrate, 'but im 2 yung'

HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
nar cen i stil vot
You narrate, 'cen i stil vot'

HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'how old are you'

HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
nar w/o regerer
You narrate, 'w/o regerer'

HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
nar 15 LOL
You narrate, '15 LOL'

HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'i tell you what'

HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'i'll smuggle you in'

HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'so you can vote'

HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
nar ok wut do i do
You narrate, 'ok wut do i do'

HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'first'

HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'you gotta get kison's sword of mayhem '

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
nar OMG
You narrate, 'OMG'

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
nar I HAD IT 1NCE
You narrate, 'I HAD IT 1NCE'

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'are you srs'

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
nar in my PANTS
You narrate, 'in my PANTS'

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'lol'

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'how'd it get out'

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
nar it wus excited LOL
You narrate, 'it wus excited LOL'

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'is that why that girl you pked with was loose'

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
nar she wus 2 loose
You narrate, 'she wus 2 loose'

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
nar she had 2 much 2 loose
You narrate, 'she had 2 much 2 loose'

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'haha'

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
nar n so did I LOL i lost my sword
You narrate, 'n so did I LOL i lost my sword'

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'lol this is like the story of king arthur '

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'gotta go find the sword that's stuck in a vagina '

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'LOL'

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
nar she stol my virginia 2
You narrate, 'she stol my virginia 2'

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'that's impressive'

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'she took a whole state from you'

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
nar tat bich shuld feel the rwath of my warrent
You narrate, 'tat bich shuld feel the rwath of my warrent'

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
The sun rises in the east.

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'you can't even warrent'

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
nar TIS IS 2 MUCH WORK
You narrate, 'TIS IS 2 MUCH WORK'

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
nar 2 FUKN VOTE FOR SHIT
You narrate, '2 FUKN VOTE FOR SHIT'

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
nar nO WUNDER NADER ALWEYS LOS
You narrate, 'nO WUNDER NADER ALWEYS LOS'

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'wtf is ander'

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
nar idk
You narrate, 'idk'

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'ru talking about ender'

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'that kid that fights aliens lol'

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
The day has begun.

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
nar i h8 alients tey steal al our job in amurica
You narrate, 'i h8 alients tey steal al our job in amurica'

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
nar so i lik ender
You narrate, 'so i lik ender'

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'me too'

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
who
-------------- Immortals --------------

Avaine (idle)

-------------- Players --------------

Joseph Black
Racyn
Sickle
Malaki
Barf the Puke Slayer [Dhjin'nen Council]

-------------- Stats --------------

Currently active: 5 trollocs.
Today there was a high of 6 players.
The record high of 26 players was reached on 05-05-2010.

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'that's why i'm republican '

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
nar w8
You narrate, 'w8'

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
nar HOW DI I REGERER
You narrate, 'HOW DI I REGERER'

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
Sickle leaves west.

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
nar OMG A NICICLE IS LEAVING WEST
You narrate, 'OMG A NICICLE IS LEAVING WEST'

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
who
-------------- Immortals --------------

Avaine (idle)

-------------- Players --------------

Joseph Black
Racyn
Sickle
Malaki
Barf the Puke Slayer [Dhjin'nen Council]

-------------- Stats --------------

Currently active: 5 trollocs.
Today there was a high of 6 players.
The record high of 26 players was reached on 05-05-2010.

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'i don't even know what that is'

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
nar Sickle leaves west.
You narrate, 'Sickle leaves west.'

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
nar i saw it LOL
You narrate, 'i saw it LOL'

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
nar with mine 2 eyes
You narrate, 'with mine 2 eyes'

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
Sickle narrates, 'what?'

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
nar ur a fukn icicle
You narrate, 'ur a fukn icicle'

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
nar how did u do that
You narrate, 'how did u do that'

HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
Sickle leaves east.

HP:Hurt MV:Fresh >
nar barf were do i go 2 vot
You narrate, 'barf were do i go 2 vot'

HP:Hurt MV:Fresh >
Barf narrates, 'want a link or detailed instrunction racyn?'

HP:Hurt MV:Fresh >
A mud covered trolloc has arrived from the west.

HP:Hurt MV:Fresh >
Sickle leaves east.

HP:Hurt MV:Fresh >
nar both
You narrate, 'both'

HP:Hurt MV:Fresh >
nar LOL
You narrate, 'LOL'

HP:Hurt MV:Fresh >
nar sry but i hav a hrd tim figering nething out on myself
You narrate, 'sry but i hav a hrd tim figering nething out on myself'

HP:Hurt MV:Fresh >
A mud covered trolloc leaves east.

HP:Hurt MV:Fresh >
A mud covered trolloc leaves west.

HP:Hurt MV:Fresh >
nar my mom seys i hav adeed hdeed
You narrate, 'my mom seys i hav adeed hdeed'

HP:Hurt MV:Fresh >
nar i tryd google it but i hav nfc wut it is
You narrate, 'i tryd google it but i hav nfc wut it is'

HP:Scratched MV:Fresh >
who
-------------- Immortals --------------

Avaine (idle)

-------------- Players --------------

Malaki
Joseph Black
Racyn
Sickle
Barf the Puke Slayer [Dhjin'nen Council]

-------------- Stats --------------

Currently active: 5 trollocs.
Today there was a high of 6 players.
The record high of 26 players was reached on 05-05-2010.

HP:Scratched MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'lol racyn'

HP:Scratched MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'i found out sickle's nefarious plot '

HP:Scratched MV:Fresh >
nar wut
You narrate, 'wut'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'he tried to assassinate me'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
nar WUT
You narrate, 'WUT'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
who
-------------- Immortals --------------

Avaine (idle)

-------------- Players --------------

Malaki
Joseph Black
Racyn
Sickle (DHJIN'NEN WARRANT)
Barf the Puke Slayer [Dhjin'nen Council]

-------------- Stats --------------

Currently active: 5 trollocs.
Today there was a high of 6 players.
The record high of 26 players was reached on 05-05-2010.

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
where
Players in your Zone
--------------------
Malaki - The Dhjin'nen Hideout
Racyn - The Southern Street of the Blackened Hold
Sickle - Four Way Turn in front of a Tower
Barf - The Dhjin'nen Hideout

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
nar R U sRY
You narrate, 'R U sRY'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
eq
You are using:
Nothing.

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
nar if i had MY HJERON stil id kil him
You narrate, 'if i had MY HJERON stil id kil him'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
e
The Southern Street of the Blackened Hold
[ Exits: n e w ]
An ugly, mud covered trolloc stands here, sniffing for blood.

HP:Healthy MV:Excellent >
e
The Southern Three Way Fork in the Blackened Streets
[ Exits: n e w ]
An ugly, mud covered trolloc stands here, sniffing for blood.

HP:Healthy MV:Excellent >
e
The Southern Street of the Blackened Hold
[ Exits: e s w ]
An ugly, mud covered trolloc stands here, sniffing for blood.

HP:Healthy MV:Excellent >
e
The Southern Street of the Blackened Hold
[ Exits: n e w ]
An ugly, mud covered trolloc stands here, sniffing for blood.

HP:Healthy MV:Excellent >
e
A Turn in the Streets of the Blackened Hold
[ Exits: n w ]
An ugly, mud covered trolloc stands here, sniffing for blood.
A trolloc of the Dhjin'nen tribe stands here.

HP:Healthy MV:Excellent >
e
Alas, you cannot go that way...

HP:Healthy MV:Excellent >
w
The Southern Street of the Blackened Hold
[ Exits: n e w ]
An ugly, mud covered trolloc stands here, sniffing for blood.

HP:Healthy MV:Excellent >
w
The Southern Street of the Blackened Hold
[ Exits: e s w ]
An ugly, mud covered trolloc stands here, sniffing for blood.

HP:Healthy MV:Excellent >
s
Along the Darkened Path
[ Exits: n s ]
An ugly, mud covered trolloc stands here, sniffing for blood.
An elite assassin trolloc is here, barely noticable.

HP:Healthy MV:Excellent >
Malaki narrates, 'yeah he thinks i'm duke ferdinand lol'

HP:Healthy MV:Excellent >
nar but FOGle tuk it
You narrate, 'but FOGle tuk it'

HP:Healthy MV:Excellent >
s
Along the Darkened Path
[ Exits: n w ]
A Dha'vol trolloc is here, awaiting the orders of the Chosen.

HP:Healthy MV:Excellent >
s
Alas, you cannot go that way...

HP:Healthy MV:Excellent >
w
Along the Darkened Path
[ Exits: e s ]
An ugly, mud covered trolloc stands here, sniffing for blood.

HP:Healthy MV:Excellent >
s
Along the Darkened Path
[ Exits: n s ]

HP:Healthy MV:Excellent >
s
Along the Darkened Path
[ Exits: n s ]
An ugly, mud covered trolloc stands here, sniffing for blood.

HP:Healthy MV:Excellent >
e
Alas, you cannot go that way...

HP:Healthy MV:Excellent >
s
e
Four Way Turn in front of a Tower
[ Exits: n e s w ]
An elite assassin trolloc is here, barely noticable.

HP:Healthy MV:Excellent >
e
Along the Darkened Path
[ Exits: e w ]

HP:Healthy MV:Strong >
e
Along the Darkened Path
[ Exits: e w ]
A trolloc of the Ghob'hlin is standing here.

HP:Healthy MV:Strong >
e
A Turn in the Path
[ Exits: e s w ]

HP:Healthy MV:Strong >
The barreddoor seems to be closed.

HP:Healthy MV:Strong >
ex
Obvious exits:
East - The Dhjin'nen Hideout
South - An Intersection Leading to a Tower
West - Along the Darkened Path

HP:Healthy MV:Strong >
Malaki narrates, 'silly sickle this isn't austria'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
where
Players in your Zone
--------------------
Malaki - The Dhjin'nen Hideout
Racyn - A Turn in the Path
Sickle - Along the Darkened Path
Barf - The Dhjin'nen Hideout

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
nar BarF
You narrate, 'BarF'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
nar how do i VOTe
You narrate, 'how do i VOTe'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
Barf narrates, 'ok, go to http://www.kinslayermud.org/forums'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
nar OKey
You narrate, 'OKey'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
nar NoW wut
You narrate, 'NoW wut'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
Barf narrates, 'log in to racyn'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
nar how
You narrate, 'how'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
Barf narrates, 'you already are logged in!'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
nar oh LOL
You narrate, 'oh LOL'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
Barf narrates, 'tricky forums'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
nar NoW wut
You narrate, 'NoW wut'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
Beginning autosave. Please wait...

Autosave complete.
HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
Barf narrates, 'now got to the dhij forum'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'racyn it's the cheato'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'run'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
nar w8 u sed 2 go 2 the kinsleyer foums
You narrate, 'w8 u sed 2 go 2 the kinsleyer foums'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'he's trying to give you a warrent'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
Barf narrates, 'say again racyn?'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
Barf narrates, 'oh'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
nar U SED I NEED 2 GO TO THE KIN FORUMS NOT THE DJIN
You narrate, 'U SED I NEED 2 GO TO THE KIN FORUMS NOT THE DJIN'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
Barf narrates, 'yeah'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
nar WICH 1
You narrate, 'WICH 1'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
nar LOL
You narrate, 'LOL'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
Barf narrates, 'like halfway down the page'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
nar ok how do i get IN
You narrate, 'ok how do i get IN'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
nar WAIt i ting i ogt it
You narrate, 'WAIt i ting i ogt it'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
nar ok NOW twut
You narrate, 'ok NOW twut'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'racyn'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
naR FUCK
You narrate, 'FUCK'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'be careful'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
nar IT GOT AVURUS
You narrate, 'IT GOT AVURUS'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'cheatos are around'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
where
Players in your Zone
--------------------
Crunch - Along the Darkened Path
Malaki - The Dhjin'nen Hideout
Racyn - A Turn in the Path
Barf - The Dhjin'nen Hideout

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
nar U FUKN GOT A VIRUS ON MY PUTER
You narrate, 'U FUKN GOT A VIRUS ON MY PUTER'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'lol barf u jerk'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'why'd you hack his shit'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
nar FUCK
You narrate, 'FUCK'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
nar MY MOMGOin 2 Be MAD
You narrate, 'MY MOMGOin 2 Be MAD'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
Barf narrates, 'bwahahaha plan complete'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
nar LOL!!@!
You narrate, 'LOL!!@!'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
nar It iS 2 guys doin it LOL
You narrate, 'It iS 2 guys doin it LOL'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'lol'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'racyn be careful'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
nar WUT
You narrate, 'WUT'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'if you watch that u'll turn into a democrat'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
Crunch has arrived from the west.

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
Crunch looks at you.

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'and we won't let you vote on shitz'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
yell HALP
You yell, 'HALP'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
yelp HALP
What?!?

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
yell CHEATO HERE
You yell, 'CHEATO HERE'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
Malaki narrates, 'lol'

HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
Crunch sends you sprawling with a powerful bash!

HP:Scratched MV:Fresh - Crunch: Healthy>
Crunch slices your body into bloody fragments!

HP:Hurt MV:Fresh - Crunch: Healthy>
flee
Malaki narrates, 'oh those were yells from you'

HP:Hurt MV:Fresh - Crunch: Healthy>
Crunch slices your feet into bloody fragments!

HP:Hurt MV:Fresh - Crunch: Healthy>
You panic and attempt to flee!

HP:Hurt MV:Fresh - Crunch: Healthy>
n
An Intersection Leading to a Tower
[ Exits: n s w ]
You flee head over heels.
A Turn in the Path
[ Exits: e s w ]
Crunch 'n' Munch, the General is standing here.

HP:Hurt MV:Excellent >
e
The barreddoor seems to be closed.

HP:Hurt MV:Excellent >
e
Malaki yells, 'IS HE GIVING YOU A WARRENT'

HP:Hurt MV:Excellent >
The barreddoor seems to be closed.

HP:Hurt MV:Excellent >
Crunch tries to slice your body, but misses.

HP:Hurt MV:Excellent - Crunch: Healthy>
w
No way! You're fighting for your life!

HP:Hurt MV:Excellent - Crunch: Healthy>
flee
You panic and attempt to flee!

HP:Hurt MV:Excellent - Crunch: Healthy>
w
w
w
An Intersection Leading to a Tower
[ Exits: n s w ]
You flee head over heels.
The Path to a Tower
[ Exits: e w ]

Re: Siteban Lamgwin.

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 2:27 am
by Barf
I still didn't see you die in that log! But pretty much everything else was in that log that happened in the last 6 hours :D

Re: Siteban Lamgwin.

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 2:28 am
by Racyn
rushint me rite now LOL

do u rly wunt me 2 post me dye

i tuld u alredy it wus a sexual orgasm n i pass out

i wak up n i wus in da crossrode of shadow

n i burst so herd it tok 8 min to regaiin my strength

Re: Siteban Lamgwin.

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 2:29 am
by Barf
yeah, I remember that, no need to post the proof lol *shiver*

Re: Siteban Lamgwin.

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 2:47 am
by Barf
Lol, that's not ground for declanning a higher ranking member of your clan Malaki. This is the exact shit everyone is sick of.

Re: Siteban Lamgwin.

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 11:25 am
by Cifon
I wonder how many of those yes votes are alts

Re: Siteban Lamgwin.

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 12:46 pm
by Lamgwin
To be honest, I'm more impressed with the 4 no votes.

Re: Siteban Lamgwin.

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 1:08 pm
by Beverlay
UMMM LIKE I HATE ELECTINS BUT ILL TAKE THE SIDDE OF WHICHEVER IS OFFERING TO TAKE ME SHOPING TONITE

Re: Siteban Lamgwin.

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 6:20 pm
by Barf
I wonder how many of the votes are alts period. Cause 15 people don't play this mud :P (unless imms are voting too I guess)

Re: Siteban Lamgwin.

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 6:46 pm
by Zeek
Lamgwin is a bloody knob jockey who constantly abuses everyone, new or old, everyone already refers to him as a douchebag and any new player calls him a douche after 5 minutes while playing at the same time as him....


!!!!SITEBAN!!!!